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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Sr dec 19, 2007 1:21 pm

To da Audi poganja sprednji pogon je seveda ogromen minus ... Quattro je za 200km+ različice praktično nuja. Skrajni čas je da Audi vstopi z zadnjim pogonom v tem elitnem razredu kjer se valjajo BMWji, MBji in Lexusi (in hmmm vsi z zadnjim pogonom - verjetno ne samo zaradi lepšega).
 
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Napisal/-a Shebo Če dec 20, 2007 6:47 pm

Imam eno vprašanje za vas vse, ki podpirate zadnji pogon pri Audiju. Na katere modele bi pa vi dali zadnji pogon?

Ker če vzamemo A3/TT platformo, vidimo da pol VAG koncerna sloni na tej platformi...
Oziroma da povem drugače - golfova platforma je osnova za A3 in TTjevo in ne obratno. Pa da vidimo dedke z Golfom na zadnji pogon...
THE GOLDEN YEARS have come at last - I cannot see, I cannot pee, I cannot chew, I cannot screw, My memory shrinks, my hearing stinks, No sense of smell, I look like hell! My body's drooping, got trouble pooping. The golden years have come at last... THE GOLDEN YEARS CAN KISS MY ASS!
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Pe dec 21, 2007 10:04 am

Glede na to da furajo ekskluzivnost in ceno zelo izenačeno z BMWji in MBji bi človek pričakoval. Njihov quattro ni neka prednost. 4 kolesni pogon imata tako BMW in MB (le da se pri Audiju bolj poudarja ker recimo 200+ konj slabo prenese samo prednji pogon)! Vsaj od A4 naprej bi bilo smotrno vključiti zadnji pogon (seveda tudi TT - ker cena TTja je precej huda in skupne platforme ne bi smele biti izgovor).
 
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Napisal/-a CupraR Pe dec 21, 2007 10:09 am

Dr.M3 je napisal/-a:To da Audi poganja sprednji pogon je seveda ogromen minus ... Quattro je za 200km+ različice praktično nuja. Skrajni čas je da Audi vstopi z zadnjim pogonom v tem elitnem razredu kjer se valjajo BMWji, MBji in Lexusi (in hmmm vsi z zadnjim pogonom - verjetno ne samo zaradi lepšega).


MAh dej, z lahkoto se pelješ z temi konji na prednjem pogonu, tut če je turbač.
Elektronka dela svoje in ja treba met mal občutka v desni nogi..

Govorim direkt za VAG grupo in Golf klaso, tako da stojim za tem. D
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Pe dec 21, 2007 10:27 am

Očitno ne :P
Tovarna sploh ne daje ven 200+ konjskega dizla brez quattra. Le zakaj... Medtem ko pri konkurenci dobiš 286KM dizla na zadnja kolesa. Le zakaj :P
Da ne omenjamo tega da malce preveč cenijo ta svoj quattro. Poglejte si doplačila.
Pri BMWju je doplačilo za X okrog 1300EUR (govorim za 5er), pri Audiju je za A6 doplačilo za quattro celih 3300EUR :roll: (da ne bo ječanja, poglejte cenik). Verjetno je to posledica tega, da je pri BMWju kardanska cev speljana zadaj že serijsko, pri Audiju ne. :P
 
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Napisal/-a esem Po dec 24, 2007 12:18 am

Novi 7-stopenjski DSG menjalnik s "suho sklopko", ki so ga za VW razvili pri Borg-Warnerju.

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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/tech ... dsg-works/

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MotorAuthority je napisal/-a: Volkswagen shifts Golf into high gear with 7-speed DSG

Posted on Thursday 20 December 2007
Modern automotive technology is getting so advanced, and the timeline for development so short that an item exclusive to the sacred province of the upper echelon of motorsport a few years ago can be found in economical hatchbacks today - quite literally. Volkswagen’s seven-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) transmission is just such a technology. Offering the best of both manual and automatic standard transmissions, the DSG dual-clutch transmission is now available in the VW Golf and Golf Plus with seven speeds.

For those not intimately familiar with VW’s DSG technology, the basic concept is relatively simple to grasp. Imagine a manual transmission, but instead of one gearset there are two - one for the even gears, another for the odds - and each has its own clutch. That clutch is computer controlled, as is the gear selection, so that while you are in second gear and accelerating, the computer has preselected third on the other gear shaft and only has to disengage the clutch from the active shaft and engage the clutch on the inactive shaft to change gears, allowing a seamless transmission of power between gears. It works in reverse for downshifts, with the computer handling the rev-matching as well. In the modern DSG, the two gear shafts are not side-by-side, but concentric, one outside the other. This allows for smaller packaging. If that doesn’t help much, check out this video of the DSG in action.

The newest seven-speed gearbox (pictured below) going into the Golf and Golf Plus has two new features as well. In addition to being the first front-transverse installed seven-speed DSG, it is also the first to run dry clutches rather than immersing the clutches in oil. By running a dry system the newest DSG achieves even greater efficiency and can handle more torque - up to 250Nm (185ft-lb). The increased efficiency results in 0.7L/100km better fuel efficiency than its predecessor, the six-speed DSG (pictured above) when paired with the 1.9L diesel motor. To help drivers get a start in hilly areas, all DSG-equipped Golf variants also come standard with hill-start assist, which holds the brake temporarily while the driver switches to the accelerator to prevent the vehicle rolling back as it would with a manual.

Initially the unit will be available on Golf and Golf Plus models with either the 90kW (120hp) 1.4L TSI petrol motor or the 77kW (103hp) 1.9L TDI motor. The optional installation of the new gearbox will start at €1,750.


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Napisal/-a Spyker Po dec 24, 2007 3:39 pm

Dr.M3 je napisal/-a:Očitno ne :P
Tovarna sploh ne daje ven 200+ konjskega dizla brez quattra. Le zakaj... Medtem ko pri konkurenci dobiš 286KM dizla na zadnja kolesa. Le zakaj :P
Da ne omenjamo tega da malce preveč cenijo ta svoj quattro. Poglejte si doplačila.
Pri BMWju je doplačilo za X okrog 1300EUR (govorim za 5er), pri Audiju je za A6 doplačilo za quattro celih 3300EUR :roll: (da ne bo ječanja, poglejte cenik). Verjetno je to posledica tega, da je pri BMWju kardanska cev speljana zadaj že serijsko, pri Audiju ne. :P


Audi si je s pogonom quattro ustvaril tako ime, da bi lahko bila cena še višja, pa se bi vseeno odlično prodajal. Konc koncev je vsak tretji Audi --> quattro. In se razmerje še obrača v prid štirikolesnega pogona.

Praviš da je quattro za 200+ KM različice praktično nuja. BMW ima 507 KM v M5-ki pa zadnji pogon, se pravi da očitno le ni taka nuja kaj? Je pa res da jaz osebno bi preferiral pogon na vsa štiri kolesa v takem primeru. Je pa danes v avtomobilih tolk elektronike da nebi smel bit noben problem, vsaj če imaš kolikor toliko skulirano desno nogo kar bi pa itak moglo bit logično za tiste ki vozijo take avtomobile (RS6, M5, E-AMG itd.).
Če je ravno, ni zabavno.
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Po dec 24, 2007 5:08 pm

Spyker: narobe si razumel. Audi ne ponuja 200+ km dizla SAMO na sprednji pogon! Konkurenca pa seveda ponuja (bližnja konkurenca na zadnji pogon). Očitno so prednosti zadnjega pogona pri krotenju enormnih konjev več kot zelo očitne ;)

Quattro je seveda precej skomercializirano (kaj drugega jim ob prednjem pogonu itak ni ostalo :P ), da so sile vložili v 4 kolesni pogon. Seveda je cena quattra pretirana. BMW za X modele odžre precej manj EUR ;)
 
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Napisal/-a Spyker Po dec 24, 2007 6:20 pm

Glede cene sem že povedal svoje mnenje. Nikakor ne mislim, da je Audijev quattro naj naj vseh 4x4 pogonov, vemo da tud BMW-jev xdrive je odličen štirikolesni pogon, prav tako ima na tem področju Subaru sigurno enega izmed najboljših pogonov. Hočem povedat le to, da Audi s svojimi uspehi v preteklosti lahko prodaja quattro po višji ceni kot naprimer bmw, že zaradi imena če ne zaradi drugega. In v tem pogonu sigurno so izkušnje, uspehi, zanesljivost, tko da čist za đabe tud cena ni tako visoka.

Mogoče je pa zaradi cene razlika tud v tem, da iz zadnjega pogona na 4x4 cenovno pride lažje čez kot iz sprednjega na 4x4? Nevem, nisem glih strokovnjak na tem področju :)

U glavnem. Vesele praznike vsem skup; srečno, predvsem pa zdravo novo leto vam želim! :pij:
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Napisal/-a esem Po dec 31, 2007 3:20 pm

Audi ima jasno začrtano pot k vse večjim prodajnim številkam, kar se kaže tudi v investiranju. Ker je prodaja odlična, so še povečali že tako visoke zneske za investicije, ki bodo med drugim povečale število modelov s 25 na 40. Ambiciozno...

Audi Invests E10.6 Billion Till 2012

Pursuing plans to catch arch-rivals BMW and Mercedes-Benz, Audi reported that the scheduled budget for the period from 2008 to 2012 is EUR 10.6 billion in fixed investments. That means Audi’s annual cash flow in new models and production will reach a steady level of around two billion euros. Previously, for the last planning period, from 2007 to 2011, the planned investments were fixed at up to EUR 9.8 billion. As part of that investment, EUR 7.9 billion has been allotted to new models alone.

The resources will be used to expand the range of models from the current 25 to 40 by 2015. In 2008 Audi is scheduled to introduce several new models into the market such as the Audi A3 Cabriolet, the Audi A4 Avant and the Audi Q5.

The rest of the investment will be utilized for Audi's production sites. In 2008 plants in Ingolstadt and Neckarsulm are to receive around EUR 1.2 billion - EUR 720 million to Ingolstadt, and EUR 400 million going to Neckarsulm.


en izmed komentarjev - sam po sebi dovolj zgovoren
Wow thats more than ford makes in 10 years.
 
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Napisal/-a adis Po dec 31, 2007 3:23 pm

kakor koli že quattro trga ...


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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če maj 29, 2008 6:38 pm

Modelne in motorne novosti Audija do leta 2012.

Although we have yet to reach the midpoint of the well known leaked Audi roll out schedule 2012 document, so far it's been right on target. And now, this latest leaked information sent to us from Audiblog.nl lists the upcoming engine/model schedule with the production start and market launch dates. Audiblog.nl tells us the information came from an Audi Poland spreadsheet document and it is from a reliable source, however, we have not confirmed the authenticity of the information. So, take it or leave it - this information is for your enjoyment. Compared to the 2012 roll out schedule linked above, there are a few surprises.

Audi A1

In addition to the current 1.4 TFSI engines, the A1 will also receive a new 63kW (86hp) entry level 1.2-liter TFSI which is most likely based on the 70hp 1.2-liter engine that was recently shown in the new SEAT Ibiza at the Madrid Motor Show last week.

Audi S4 (B8)

The sports version of the current generation A4 will see the 4.2-liter V8 from the B7 generation get dropped, and instead, return to its B5 roots with the all new 245kW (333hp) 3.0-liter V6 bi-turbo TFSI. Available in Avant form as well as sedan, the S4 will be available in 6-speed manual transmission or double-clutch 7-speed S-tronic.

Audi S5

The Audi S5 coupe will keep its 4.2-liter V8 for now, but starting in September 2010 the bi-turbo 3.0-liter TFSI V6 as seen in the S4 will replace it. Despite the horsepower reduction from the V8's 260kW (354hp) versus the V6's 245kW (333hp), it's possible the weight savings as well as lower center of gravity of the smaller engine compensates for the reduction in output.

Audi RS5

We've already seen the RS5 acknowledged in the 2012 roll out schedule, but this document gives us a bit more. Using the same 4.2-liter V8 in the current S5, the RS5 gets a massive 70kW (96hp) bump from 260kW (354hp) to 331kW (450hp). Such an increase suggests some turbo charging shenanigans are going on, as previously speculated, however, only the 7-speed dual-clutch S-tronic transmission will be available. The RS5 hits market in July 2010.

Audi A5/S5 Sportback

The A5 Sportback will be available with 1.8 TFSI to the 3.2FSI for the petrol and 2.0 TDI to the 3.0 TDI for diesels plus all of their variants in between. However, completely unmentioned by the 2012 roll out schedule, is an S5 Sportback which receives the new 3.0-liter bi-turbo TFSI in either 6-speed manual or S-tronic7. September 2010 is the launch date.

Audi A7 Sportback

We have heard of the all new A7 model in coupe and cabriolet form, but this leaked document brings to our eyes for the first time the A7 Sportback. With only petrol and diesel V6 engines available from June 2010, a new 8 speed automatic transmission will be introduced on the 3.0-liter TDI model which launches in November 2010.

Audi S7 Sportback

Here's the blockbuster. The S7 Sportback breaks cover in November 2010, but it does not receive the 3.0-liter bi-turbo TFSI engine found in the future S4 and S5 models. Instead this baby gets an all new 4.0-liter TFSI producing 290 kW (394hp) with S-tronic7.

Audi A8 (D4)

The next generation A8 hits the market six months earlier than stated by the 2012 roll out schedule. Same V8 engines are retained and new 8 speed automatic transmission is added.

Audi R8 Spyder

Hoping for a debut at this past Detroit Auto Show, the R8 Targa or Spyder was absent. Instead we saw the R8 V12 TDI Concept debut. However, according to this leaked document the 5.2-liter V10, which was recently spotted with it's engine in view, will be available in both Coupe and Spyder variants making 386 kW (525hp). The R8 coupe launches in June 2009 and the Spyder in March 2010, both with the R-tronic sequential gearbox.


vir (tudi s tabelaričnim pregledom motorjev):
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080529.011 ... ive-leaked
Kobilica:
http://www.avtomobilizem.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=88076&start=0
 
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Napisal/-a SpeedyRS Pe maj 30, 2008 2:34 pm

Uribobo je napisal/-a:Novi Golf V GTI Pirelli z 230 konji.


Haha, to se pa vidi da bi radi konkurirali Meganu RS r26. Samo ga nebo zmleu, ker pride vn Megane RS r26R. :twisted:
 
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Napisal/-a adis Pe maj 30, 2008 2:37 pm

SpeedyRS je napisal/-a:
Uribobo je napisal/-a:Novi Golf V GTI Pirelli z 230 konji.


Haha, to se pa vidi da bi radi konkurirali Meganu RS r26. Samo ga nebo zmleu, ker pride vn Megane RS r26R. :twisted:


sej megana bo pa "ZMLEL V PRAH" passat R36 ;)
 
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Napisal/-a abbe Pe maj 30, 2008 2:41 pm

SpeedyRS je napisal/-a:
Uribobo je napisal/-a:Novi Golf V GTI Pirelli z 230 konji.


Haha, to se pa vidi da bi radi konkurirali Meganu RS r26. Samo ga nebo zmleu, ker pride vn Megane RS r26R. :twisted:

in po cem sklepas da ma 230 km glih zarad tega da bo meganu konkuriral?
kr neki.sj drgac je pa tut golf v r32.
pa se to predn reces da po konjih sodis.sam tok za info
golf iv gti ma 150km.po je pa biu jubi gti-jev(nevem kok let) so pa nardil unag z 180km.
in zj je vrjetn isto.pac jh ma 200km zj pa pac ena serija pireli k ma 230.
Ni vse res kar napišem
 
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Napisal/-a Pavel_P Pe maj 30, 2008 2:55 pm

SpeedyRS je napisal/-a:
Uribobo je napisal/-a:Novi Golf V GTI Pirelli z 230 konji.


Haha, to se pa vidi da bi radi konkurirali Meganu RS r26. Samo ga nebo zmleu, ker pride vn Megane RS r26R. :twisted:

?
gti z 230 konji obstaja že zelo dolgo, ve se pa za njega še celo večnost pred tem..
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Pe maj 30, 2008 4:30 pm

adis je napisal/-a:
SpeedyRS je napisal/-a:
Uribobo je napisal/-a:Novi Golf V GTI Pirelli z 230 konji.


Haha, to se pa vidi da bi radi konkurirali Meganu RS r26. Samo ga nebo zmleu, ker pride vn Megane RS r26R. :twisted:


sej megana bo pa "ZMLEL V PRAH" passat R36 ;)

A po ravnem? :roll:

Jao kako primerjave Adis... Enkrat hatchback, drugič pa en klas višje. :D
 
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Napisal/-a DaDo3 Pe maj 30, 2008 4:39 pm

Fantje nepozabmo na edition 30 :)
 
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Napisal/-a SpeedyRS Pe maj 30, 2008 4:45 pm

Drgač je Golf GTI ista klasa avta kot Megane RS, in je blo dostkrat dokazano kolk boljši in v čem je boljši Megane RS. Hint: Topgear, fifthgear.

Da ne govorimo o lovoriki Hot hatchback leta 07. Golf je biu 4. mislim da. Clio RS pa 3.

Fantje, sprijaznite se, Renault Sport avti so zakon.
 
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Napisal/-a adis Pe maj 30, 2008 4:46 pm

kolikor jaz vem je to tema o VW in VAG-u tko da renault tu nima kaj iskati, in če že piše o nekih rs meganih potem je prav, da se predstavi tudi najmočnejšo izvedbo VW in sicer R36 :D
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