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Civilna iniciativa proti stacionarnim radarjem?

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 2:26 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
Zdaj ko so spet ful aktulani stacionarni radarji, provide in ponovno povečanje že tako prehudih kazni, sem se spomnil na en članek od lani ... ko se je skupina ljudi odločila v West Midlands, UK, da imajo dosti tega vladnega ropanja s pomočjo stacionarnih radarjev, ki nimajo nobenega učinka na povečanje varnosti ampak je njihov edini namen polnenje državne blagajne in se odločila za protinapad
Kdaj bomo tudi Slovenci imeli vsega dovolj in naredili kaj po njihovem zgledu?

Zanimivo branje :-D ... in še ena informativna anketa, saj bo zanimivo videti kakšno podporo dejansko ima država (sj tukaj na forumu) v postavljanju radarjev al to počnejo "na silo" in brez podpore javnosti zgolj iz dobičkonosnega namena ;)



West Midlands: A Summer of MADness?

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Motorists Against Detection, the vigilante anti-speed camera group have announced a summer of MADness which will see them target for destruction all speed cameras in the UK. It’s now going to be a period of zero tolerance against all speed cameras, said their campaigns director Capt Gatso.

The group claims speed cameras are just money-making machines and they have given the authorities long enough to prove their worth. The first camera to fall in the summer campaign is in south east London on the A2 at the Sun in the Sands roundabout on-slip heading northbound towards the Blackwall Tunnel.

Capt Gatso, the group's campaigns director, said: "We have completely pulled it out of the ground, it is now lying flat. You can see some of our handiwork posted on www.speedcam.co.uk. He added: In many areas the cameras have not saved one life - the statistics for road deaths haven't gone down. In some areas they have actually gone up - in Essex, for instance, which has a high density of cameras there are more people being killed. We are now planning to target any and all cameras until the Government sees sense and rethinks its road safety policy. Before we had speed cameras we had the safest roads in Europe - since their introduction this is no longer true.
The announcement will surprise many in road safety circles since the group has publicly declared it would not attack cameras outside schools or on high streets. But Capt Gatso said: We need to focus attention on what the cameras are about. We’ve said we wouldn’t attack the ones in built up and urban areas but that’s not where most of the cameras are. There are a lot of frustrated people among our members who have seen the number of cameras increase while road safety levels have fallen. Indeed, the only thing the cameras have done successfully is to reduce the number of traffic officers patrolling our roads and lose a lot of decent people their driving licences and their livelihoods.

MAD is the UK’s only direct action anti-speed camera group and it’s been going since summer 2000. In that time they have taken out just over 1,000 cameras. Their membership who are normally law-abiding people - vary in numbers but there is a hard core of around 200 people throughout the UK who use Internet chat forums, encrypted email and pay as you go phones to keep in touch and plan campaigns.

The group says it has perfected a new and quick way of destroying speed cameras which will enable them to destroy a roadside camera in just a few seconds. Capt Gatso added: The Government and the camera partnerships have failed to spin out via their PR campaigns to convince people that the cameras are there for road safety. Motorists know that they aren’t. All it’s done is further damage the police/public relationship and further alienating communities which they desperately need onside at this time. Many cameras have gone up on busy roads without any history of accidents despite that being the main criteria for installation.And all the time the partnerships and the Treasury rake in millions of extra revenue.

Capt Gatso pointed out that the group is not encouraging dangerous driving or speeding on Britain’s roads. He said: We have said from the beginning that drivers should drive according to the conditions of the road. The police say we need more training and patrols but the Government says we need more fines. But not everyone is paying the fines. Drive a foreign registered car or alter your number plate slightly and you’ll get away with it too. One of the future PR exercises for the shadowy group is for drivers to participate in a day of action called ‘National Cover-Up Your Number Plates Day’ to frustrate parking, bus lane, anpr, congestion and speed cameras. Capt Gatso told us: It will be pandemonium for the authorities. What are the chances of being stopped? We have by default, in the form of number plates on the front and back of our vehicles, a mobile ID card. Now we’ve declared open season on the cameras just keep an eye open for what happens next. This will be civil disobedience on a grand scale covering all areas and people of the country. One thing drivers might consider is that when there’s a police car behind you with its blue lights and sirens on think about family members or friends getting points for going marginally over the limit and don’t let the police past if you don’t think it is safe to do so. Our members don’t. We are always straight out of the way for ambulances and fire engines because we admire the sterling work they do.

Capt Gatso is a family man from north London. He’s in his 40s, a professional he owns a BMW M3 and is a keen motorcyclist. He said: Most of the organising group are just ordinary blokes with families who are sick of us heading towards a police state. He added that the group’s members were all good drivers, most have a professional driving qualification or ride powerful motorbikes on a regular basis and their aims are to encourage the partnerships to clamp down on speeding in built-up areas and near to schools and hospitals. Capt Gatso, the motorists’ friend, said: What we ultimately want to see is all the UK camera partnerships dissolved into a central ticket office which only concentrates on serious and serial offenders. Each case should be treated as a proper crime and properly investigated. We should be stopping the idiots who get behind the wheel of a car who will speed anywhere but won’t get caught if they avoid main roads and motorways. We want to see a higher police presence of trained officers patrolling the roads and put Britain back at the top of the road safety league where it was before the introduction of these infernal cameras.

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Sacked! Inspired revenge against camera

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A WAG took his revenge against a speed camera in Moreton at the weekend - by covering it up with a waste sack. Motorists driving near to The Grange pub on Hoylake Road were able to pass the speed trap without fear from the early hours of Saturday morning until Monday afternoon.

The camera, operated by the Liverpool-based Camera Safety Partnership on behalf of Merseyside Police, was later "freed" by officers. One Globe reader who spotted the camera emailed a photo to our picture desk, and wrote: "You've got to hand it to whoever did this. Speed cameras are a pain in the neck.

"They don't reduce speeds - they just make money for the police." But David Foulkes, of the Camera Safety Partnership, said: "These safety cameras are operated on behalf of Merseyside Police. "Anyone caught doing something like this could find themselves being charged in connection with obstructing the police".

Vir: http://www.thisiswirral.co.uk/display.v ... camera.php

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 3:06 pm
Napisal/-a T2a
stacionarni radar na relaciji Vipava-Vrtojba je že par tednov prelakiran s črnim lakom :)

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 3:40 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
TommyGun je napisal/-a:stacionarni radar na relaciji Vipava-Vrtojba je že par tednov prelakiran s črnim lakom :)


Samo verjetno ni kamere notr ... k policaji zihr preverijo, če je okenček čist, ko montirajo kamero ... tko da je take akcije treba izvajat vedno po tistem, ko se da kamero notr, da je učinkovito.

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 3:42 pm
Napisal/-a Lumpy_
Mogoče pa je že bila kamera not, pa so potem ličarijo delali :lol:


Ko gledam anketo....kar nekaj jih je za, da so kazni vredu. Potem pa v drugi temi jokajo, da so fasali visoko kazen, pa skoraj nič niso prekoračli omejitve. :twisted:

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 3:47 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
Lumpy_ je napisal/-a:Mogoče pa je že bila kamera not, pa so potem ličarijo delali :lol:


Ko gledam anketo....kar nekaj jih je za, da so kazni vredu. Potem pa v drugi temi jokajo, da so fasali visoko kazen, pa skoraj nič niso prekoračli omejitve. :twisted:


Ja, to so verjetno uni k vedno trdijo kako upoštevajo predpise, pol pa vedno ravno njih "čist slučajno" ujamejo, k so prvič v življenju peljali čez omejitev oz. delali prekršek. ;)

No, pa še ena skupina takih voznikov je ... k res vedno vozijo pod omejitvijo in jih zato radarji ne skrbijo, ampak drugače pa ne poznajo ne rdeče luči ne enosmernih cest in ostalih pravil, ki dejansko so razlog za karambole s smrtnimi žrtvami in hudimi posledicami. :roll:

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:10 pm
Napisal/-a ghandaed
Absolutno bi se strinjal 8)

s tem, da ima kolikor vem civilna iniciativa (če jo podpira vsaj 5% prebivalcev občine) moč razveljavit sklepe župana&co ;)

dol z radarji!

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm
Napisal/-a =ZiAn=
ghandaed je napisal/-a:Absolutno bi se strinjal 8)

s tem, da ima kolikor vem civilna iniciativa (če jo podpira vsaj 5% prebivalcev občine) moč razveljavit sklepe župana&co ;)

dol z radarji!


Ampak kazni za prehitro vožnjo itd, nima čez občina ;)

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:30 pm
Napisal/-a Joie de vivre!
Polnjenje državne blagajne ni njihov prvotni namen. Če bi vsi vozili 100, ne bi imela blagajna nič od tega. Če pa ne vozite 100, pa plačujte, k*** vas gleda.

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:35 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
Joie de vivre! je napisal/-a:Polnjenje državne blagajne ni njihov prvotni namen. Če bi vsi vozili 100, ne bi imela blagajna nič od tega. Če pa ne vozite 100, pa plačujte, k*** vas gleda.


Je, seveda ... k da ti kdo verjame :roll: Je bilo že prevečkrat dokazano (tudi z resnimi raziskavami neodvisnih organizacij v tujini), da radarji ne pripomorejo nič k varnosti in zelo veliko k polnjenju državne blagajne ... če pa tega ne vidiš, si pa itak slep in ti verjetno ni več pomoči. :?

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:39 pm
Napisal/-a Joie de vivre!
Seveda, ker vsi zabremzajo samo pred radarjem in potem spet pun gas.

Če bi bli radarji na vsakih 100 metrov, bi najbrž bilo precej manj žrtev.

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:51 pm
Napisal/-a jay
jaz sem za radarje na vsaki meter :idea: edino radarje za muziko nea smejo uvest :)

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:59 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
jay je napisal/-a:jaz sem za radarje na vsaki meter :idea: edino radarje za muziko nea smejo uvest :)


Če bo šla tehnologija tako naprej kot gre sedaj, bodo kmalu uvedli tudi "radarje" na misli ... boš kazen dobil že takoj, ko boš pomislil, da bi delal kaj kar ni predpisano s strani države. :twisted:
Zaenkrat se to sliši še kot ZF ... ampak poglejte kakšne starejše filme al pa kj podobnega okoli nadzora populacije ... dosti stvari, ki so bile takrat izmišljene za zabavo občinstva ali pa so jih napovedovali le "hudi" paranojiki okoli nadzora, se danes v taki ali podobni obliki dejansko izavaja s strani države ob pomoči novih tehnologij in ob podpori populacije, ki so jim že oprali možgane s takšnimi in drugačnimi kampanijami, da so se odrekli svojih svoboščin kao "na prostovoljen način v prid reda in varnosti".

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 5:59 pm
Napisal/-a Lumpy_
Kaj če ti radar, če pa ti pol deda prpela kontra po AC, v tunelu po omejitvah :), pri Baumaxu v mb :shock: , itd itd.
Potem taki, ki vozijo po mb obvoznici rikverc na izvozu,...

Mene ti radari niti ne bolijo tolk. Razen če se ti res mudi, in ne, ni bilo možnosti it prej iz starta, da prideš pravi čas do cilja ker je bilo nepričakovano, npr zdravstveni razlog. ( z izkušenj govorim)

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 6:01 pm
Napisal/-a lublancan
britanski minister za promet v oddaji topgear:

"Postavimo radarje, jih pobarvamo na rumeno in objavimo lokacije na internetu. Če ste tako neumni, da še vedno vozite mimo njih prehitro, potem plačajte."

komentar:
-veste kej so ohišja
-pred njimi stojijo table z opozorilom

pa še VEDNO ste tolk KRETENI, da peljete mimo njih prehitro

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 6:10 pm
Napisal/-a ghandaed
saj noben ne pravi da mimo vozi prehitro. Samo bremzat pa pospeševat stalno zarad nekih glupih kutij ki ničemur ne služijo se pa tud malo brezvezi zdi hehehe

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 6:51 pm
Napisal/-a kolesar
radarji so zaenkrat samo na takih mestih kjer je pametno da so!
so na takih mestih ki so nevarna (nesreče, z hudimi posledicami...)
mislim da se je na teh kritičnih mestih zboljšala prometna varnost ali se ni?

same neke civilne iniciative :roll:

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 7:26 pm
Napisal/-a stench
Jaz vidim problem v teh radarjih samo v lokacijah, ker so le redki postavljeni tam, kjer mora bit hitrost dejansko nižja. Tisti pred golovcem je po mojem mnenju dobro postavljen, ker je efekt dosežen in gre celo že v skrajnost, ko jih veliko vozi 80 že dosti pred radarjem.
Ostali (kot tisti na lukovici in pa tisti na dolenjskem kraku med predoroma, pa so čisto brez veze, ker 90% voznikov tako ali tako vozi tam po omejitvah ali pa le 10km/h hitreje.

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 8:16 pm
Napisal/-a Rottie
kolesar je napisal/-a:radarji so zaenkrat samo na takih mestih kjer je pametno da so!
so na takih mestih ki so nevarna (nesreče, z hudimi posledicami...)
mislim da se je na teh kritičnih mestih zboljšala prometna varnost ali se ni?

same neke civilne iniciative :roll:



Na pametnih mestih??? Tele lokacije so zihr čist brez haska kar se nesreč tiče, saj mesta niso problematična... pa so jih ravno tam postavili, k vsak pritisne, ker je lepa cesta, dovolj pregledno in ni nevarno.

A1 Postojna-Unec.
Stacionarni radar na viaduktu Ravbarkomanda, za smer Ljubljana, A1 Postojna-Unec.
A2 Malence-Šmarje Sap
Stacionarni radar na koncu viadukta Reber v smeri proti Ljubljani, A2 Malence-Šmarje Sap.
CelozaslonskoA1 Blagovica-Krtina.
Stacionarni radar, Lukovica, pri servisu OMV, v smeri Celje, A1 Blagovica-Krtina.
A1 Celje-Arja vas.
Stacionarni radar pri počivališču Lopata, servis OMV, za smer Maribor, A1 Celje-Arja vas.
A1 Fram-Sl. Bistrica.
Stacionarni radar počivališče Polskava za smer Ljubljana, A1 Fram-Sl. Bistrica.

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 8:43 pm
Napisal/-a esem
Saj so lepo rekli, da so radarji namenjeni "umirjanju" prometa - torej jih postavljajo večinoma tam, kjer je dejansko možno pritisnit. Šefi (policije) in varnost sta nekompatibilna pojma - oz. šefi so politično kompatibilni , sicer pa sploh nimajo pojma o pojmu. Morajo pa poskrbet za denar....

Objavljeno: Če dec 06, 2007 9:11 pm
Napisal/-a Nejko87
eh dokler bodo table pred njimi POZOR RADAR ni panike...
zmanjšaš pa je... a je problem...
razen če spregledaš...