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EEStor - revolucija baterij za električne avte !!?

Napisal/-a esem Ne sep 24, 2006 5:40 pm

Pozabite na vodik, gorivne celice, hibride, dizle... Dolgo iskana rešitev je tu (?)

V kratkem naj bi v nekatere električne avte začeli vgrajevati nove "baterije" firme EEStor. Navednice so zato, ker to niso baterije s kemijskim načinom delovanja/shranjevanja elektrike. Iz za zdaj še skopih informacij se da razbrati, da naj bi bil princip delovanja podoben principu kondenzatorjev. "Baterije" naj bi imele več kot dovolj veliko avtonomijo in moč (800 km za 9 $ - po am. cenah el. energ., 300+ KM + XX navora), napolnile naj bi se v 5 (!) minutah, bile bi tudi brez nevarnih in škodljivih spojin.

Če je vse to res, v kratkem sledi revolucija v avtomobilizmu. Glede na to, da CNN piše o tej iznajdbi in jo uvršča med 11 najbolj vplivnih, je verjetno celo res. Let's wait and hope...



CNN je napisal/-a:Gentlemen, stop your engines
EEStor's new automotive power source could eliminate the need for the combustion engine - and for oil.

Business 2.0 Magazine
By Erick Schonfeld and Jeanette Borzo, Business 2.0
September 20 2006: 2:16 PM EDT
SAN FRANCISCO (Business 2.0 Magazine) -- The Disruptor: EEStor

The Innovation: A ceramic power source for electric cars that could blow away the combustion engine

EEStor
Headquarters: Cedar Park, Tex.
CEO: Richard Weir
Founded: 2001
Key stat: Product in development

CNN and Business 2.0 look at ways to improve technology in terms of engine and fuel efficiency. (September 20)


The Disrupted: Oil companies and carmakers that don't climb aboard

Forget hybrids and hydrogen-powered vehicles. EEStor, a stealth company in Cedar Park, Texas, is working on an "energy storage" device that could finally give the internal combustion engine a run for its money -- and begin saving us from our oil addiction. "To call it a battery discredits it," says Ian Clifford, the CEO of Toronto-based electric car company Feel Good Cars, which plans to incorporate EEStor's technology in vehicles by 2008.

EEStor's device is not technically a battery because no chemicals are involved. In fact, it contains no hazardous materials whatsoever. Yet it acts like a battery in that it stores electricity. If it works as it's supposed to, it will charge up in five minutes and provide enough energy to drive 500 miles on about $9 worth of electricity. At today's gas prices, covering that distance can cost $60 or more; the EEStor device would power a car for the equivalent of about 45 cents a gallon.

And we mean power a car. "A four-passenger sedan will drive like a Ferrari," Clifford predicts. In contrast, his first electric car, the Zenn, which debuted in August and is powered by a more conventional battery, can't go much faster than a moped and takes hours to charge.

The cost of the engine itself depends on how much energy it can store; an EEStor-powered engine with a range roughly equivalent to that of a gasoline-powered car would cost about $5,200. That's a slight premium over the cost of the gas engine and the other parts the device would replace -- the gas tank, exhaust system, and drivetrain. But getting rid of the need to buy gas should more than make up for the extra cost of an EEStor-powered car.

EEStor is tight-lipped about its device and how it manages to pack such a punch. According to a patent issued in April, the device is made of a ceramic powder coated with aluminum oxide and glass. A bank of these ceramic batteries could be used at "electrical energy stations" where people on the road could charge up.

EEStor is backed by VC firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, and the company's founders are engineers Richard Weir and Carl Nelson. CEO Weir, a former IBM-er, won't comment, but his son, Tom, an EEStor VP, acknowledges, "That is pretty much why we are here today, to compete with the internal combustion engine." He also hints that his engine technology is not just for the small passenger vehicles that Clifford is aiming at, but could easily replace the 300-horsepower brutes in today's SUVs. That would make it appealing to automakers like GM (Charts) and Ford (Charts), who are seeing sales of their gas-guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks begin to tank because of exorbitant fuel prices.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/15/technol ... /index.htm



The Energy blog je napisal/-a:The Energy Revolution has begun and will change your lifestyle
The company, sources say, is weeks away from seeking independent verification of the product's performance, which will be conducted by the University of Texas at Austin or a U.S. army facility. If all goes well, EEStor could be in preproduction this year and full production in 2007. During this time, potential customers — from automakers and military contractors to tool and electronics makers — will get a closer look at the product.

http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/ener ... racap.html
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/ener ... w_of_.html



dvomi
Bill Cox je napisal/-a:Saturday, August 12. 2006
Will EEStor Ultracapacitors explode?
EEStor claims to have invented a super-cheap, super-light, super-small replacement for batteries that could easily power electric cars for hundreds of miles. If true, they may make gasoline powered cars a thing of the past.

Simple math tells me that driving an EEStor powered car will be like driving with 100 pounds of dynamite in my trunk...

After carefully reading the EEStor patent, I found they only claim that the materials in their ultracapacitor are not explosive. Nothing is said about a fully charged ultracapacitor. However, fully charged, their described unit holds 52 KW hours of energy. See:

EEStor patent

1 KW hour is about the energy stored in 2 pounds of dynamite. It's also about the energy stored in 2 typical car batteries. Car batteries don't explode when smashed because the energy is stored chemically, and needs some time to convert to electricity. Instead, after a bad auto accident, you get acid on the pavement.

Electrical energy stored in a capacitor can't spill out onto the pavement. At least in any capacitor I know of, it's converted almost instantly into heat when the capacitor gets smashed. If true of the EEStor unit, that sucker will completely destroy your car (and possibly others nearby) when it gets damaged. Is this one of the reasons EEStor is so secretive about their new technology?
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http://www.zavelson.com/ideas/index.php ... plode.html
 
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Napisal/-a esem Ne sep 24, 2006 5:48 pm

dodajam še link na patent, če je kdo med strokovnjaki dovolj radoveden

EEStor patent
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Napisal/-a Lesane Parish Crooks Ne sep 24, 2006 5:59 pm

zanimivo .samo drugi del članka je še bolj :shock:

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Napisal/-a tha_man Ne sep 24, 2006 6:42 pm

Baterije so nasploh, ne samo avtomobilske, stvar ki je najbolj potrebna revolucije. Si predstavljate kaj bi pomenile super baterije, ki bi lahko zadovoljivo dolgo napajale električne naprave? Računalniki, prenosni predvajalniki, GPS-i, tega je ogromno... Priklop na elektriko bi potrebovali samo za filanje baterij, nič več za samo delovanje naprav. Še zadnja ovira, ki nujno potrebuje kabel do stene, bi padla.

Seveda pa je varnost tu zelo pomembna, saj zna biti ob slabi kvaliteti zadeva zelo nevarna. Že sedanje baterije znajo kar lepo eksplodirat če gre kaj narobe.
 
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Napisal/-a sebaveh Ne sep 24, 2006 9:50 pm

Zdaj me je začelo skrbeti polnjenje takih baterij: Če pravijo da imajo kapaciteto 52 kWh, in če bi se res polnile le 10 minut, bi to pomenil, da ji moramo v teh 10 minutah dovesti energijo v vrednosti 312 kW :shock: Potem pa upoštevamo še izgube... Preko česa :?: enofaznega vtikača s kabli preseka 1,5mm^2 ? Tak da zaenkrat še tu vidim problem glede polnjenja visokih kapacitet v kratkem času.
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Napisal/-a Templar Ne sep 24, 2006 10:08 pm

Takole bom rekel, okoli leta 1995 je bil v ŽIT objavljen članek o novih revolucionarnih Litij polimerjnih baterijah in kako bodo v "kratkem" prevzele vse...

Trajalo je 8 let da so prišle v komercialno uporabo zato ker so nas takrat še šopali z Ni-CD baterijami treba pa je bilo še v promet spravit NiMh tako da je jasno da teh baterij še vsaj 8 let ne bo mogoče kupit v lokalnem marketu...
Če lahko bereš tole si preblizu! Drži varnostno razdaljo!
 
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Napisal/-a croma_man Po sep 25, 2006 7:13 am

heh, jst si bom sam eno tako baterijo kupu da mi bo poganjala akustiko...vozil se bom pa na bencin še naprej :lol: :lol:
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Napisal/-a esem So jan 20, 2007 5:22 am

Končno nekaj novih informacij o EEStor "ultrakondenzatorjih".

Pravijo, da so dobili kritičen patent in še 12 drugih, da so zgradili "ultra high tech" proizvodni obrat in dobili visokokvalificirane strokovnjake, da delajo na prečiščevanju kem. spojin, potrebnih za proizvodnjo (99.9994% čistost prahu barijevega nitrata!!!), da bo EESU normalno deloval od -20 do +65 st Celzija in predvsem da s terminskim planom niso v zaostanku. To pomeni, da bo še letos ali najkasneje leta 2008 prišel na trg ZENN "mestni" avto z njihovim ultrakondenzatorjem EESU namesto baterije za shranjevanje elektrike.

Komaj čakam.... Sliši se sanjsko! Čakam tudi, da vidim , kako so poskrbeli za varnost in napajanje.


Big News: EEStor Says Something

by Lloyd Alter, Toronto on 01.17.07
Finally some more news from EEStor, the incredibly secretive hypercapacitor funded by hotshot venture capitalists Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. Our readers tell us that their patent describes barium titanate capacitors stacked in series with a very high operating voltage. Our commenters also expressed reservations about the difficulty of doing this, suggesting that "The manufacturing obstacles are significant, as are the market obstacles of getting anyone to drive around in a car with energy storage at 3500 Vdc."

Thus we are excited to find that a) they have "completed the initial milestone of certifying purification, concentration, and stability of all of its key production chemicals notably the attainment of 99.9994% purity of its barium nitrate powder.",b) that they have "been awarded a critical patent related to our technology and has 12 additional patents pending.", c) We have built a state-of-the-art facility and have exceptional personnel onboard." and most importantly, it "remains on track to begin shipping production 15 kilowatt-hour Electrical Energy Storage Units (EESU) to ZENN Motor Company in 2007 for use in their electric vehicles." -It is actually coming soon.


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I had the opportunity to meet Ian Clifford, the CEO of ZENN, a couple of weeks ago, and have rarely met a more straightforward and likeable CEO. I hope to be among the first to drive home in a new EEStor powered ZENN before the year is out. Full press release after the fold.

The first EEStor, Inc. automated production line has been proven to meet the requirements for precise chemical delivery, purity control, parameter control and stability.

In addition, EEStor, Inc. has completed the initial milestone of certifying purification, concentration, and stability of all of its key production chemicals notably the attainment of 99.9994% purity of its barium nitrate powder.

The independent 3rd party chemical analysis was completed by Southwest Research Institute, Inc. located in San Antonio, Texas under contract with EEStor, Inc.

With these milestones completed, EEStor, Inc. is now in the process of producing on its automated production line, composition-modified barium titanate powders and is moving toward completing its next major milestone of powder certification.

It is anticipated that the relative permittivity of the current powder will-either meet and/or exceed 18,500, the previous level achieved when EEStor, Inc. produced prototype components using it engineering level processing equipment.

Richard Weir, CEO and President of EEStor, Inc. added: "We are very proud of the key advancements we have made over the past year. In addition to the milestones identified, the Company has also been awarded a critical patent related to our technology and has 12 additional patents pending. We have built a state-of-the-art facility and have exceptional personnel onboard."

The first commercial application of the EESU is intended to be used in electric vehicles under a technology agreement with ZENN Motors Company. EEStor, Inc. remains on track to begin shipping production 15 kilowatt-hour Electrical Energy Storage Units (EESU) to ZENN Motor Company in 2007 for use in their electric vehicles. The production EESU for ZENN Motor Company will function to specification in operating environments as sever as negative 20 to plus 65 degrees Celsius, will weigh less than 100 pounds, and will have ability to be recharged in a matter of minutes.

ABOUT EEStor, Inc.

Headquartered in Cedar Park, Texas, EEStor, Inc. is dedicated to the design, development, and manufacturing of high-density energy storage devices. Utilizing revolutionary ultra capacitor architecture and environmentally friendly materials the EEStor, Inc. EESU will compete against all existing battery technologies. The EEStor, Inc. EESU IS capable of microsecond recharging and millions of 100% charge/discharge cycles. The technology is affordable and designed for versatile "racked and stacked" configurations. " ::marketwire

Read previous EEStor info here:


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Napisal/-a esem So jan 20, 2007 5:55 am

še mala zanimivost
Cel svet naj bi v enem letu porabil 1 kubično miljo nafte. Nekam malo se mi je zdelo (že en sam supertanker je dolg 300-400 m), pa sem šel računat - to je cca 2,56 bilijonov (2,56 x 10 na dvanajsto potenco) litrov nafte . Če bi ob povprečni porabi 10 l/100km naredili v letu 25.600 km, bi to bilo dovolj za milijardo avtov. Precej za komaj eno kubično miljo nafte, se vam ne zdi? :oops:

Primerjava s termoelektrarnami, jedrskimi itd tu
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/19 ... -love-oil/

If you ask the question—How much energy does the world use in a ­second?—you get answers that combine many different units: 150 tons of coal, 37 000 gallons of oil, 3.2 million cubic feet of gas, and so on.”


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Napisal/-a esem Ne okt 04, 2009 3:09 am

Prelagajo in zavlačujejo. Imajo sicer skoraj navdušeno podporo nekaterih (tudi Lockheed se zanima za to tehnologijo), a ta podpora kopni zaradi skrivnostnosti, neobjave rezultatov testiranj in stalnih prelaganj.

Rekli so, da bo septembra delujoč prototip in da bo do konca leta proizvodna linija več ali manj končana, a še vedno niso nič objavili.

Zadnje vesti so take:

Allcarselectric je napisal/-a:Did EEStor Certify its EESU in September?

By Lyle Dennis Lyle Dennis, Editor-in-Chief, October 1st, 2009

We follow EEStor developments closely because if their technology comes to fruition it would radically and rapidly revolutionize the electrification of the automobile. Their unique technology capacitor-based battery, in theory, is far more energy dense and low weight than lithium ion , is cheap to produce out of unlimited natural resources, suffers no degradation, and can be recharged in minutes.

As great as this technology sounds, it has never been proven nor demonstrated in working form.

The world waits for this moment. So does Zenn Motors, a Toronto-based EV firm that is 10.7% owner of EEStor and has based its entire future and business plan on receipt of production EESUs. In fact, Zenn recently announced they would only be selling EEStor drivetrains to other manufacturers, and won't even build EVs themselves, though they do make low volume of low speed neighborhood EVs.

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The CEO of Zenn Motors Ian Clifford had previously told AllCarsElectric.com "this September EEStor has stated that they will be certifying at-voltage components which actually are build capacitors off their production facility," and in a leaked audio interview EEStor founder Dick Weir said "we've told the world that you can anticipate us being in a pre-production mode of ESUs by the 4'th quarter this year (2009)."

So here we are in the 4th quarter. Did EEStor have their EESU or a functional component certified as achieving its stated goals?

Zenn spokesperson Catherine Scrimgeor told us, " EEStor stated that they anticipated completing component testing in September. This is not a formal milestone per our Technology Agreement. It is up to EEStor to announce any additional achievements or progress outside of the formal milestones outlined in the technology agreement."

OK so EEStor could have done it but not announced it.

The company did announce earlier this year that the specialized barium titanate powder they would be using in the EESU achieved its goal permittivity at low voltage. For that test they used a nearby company called Texas Research International and it was performed by scientist Dr. Ed Golla. It might be that if EEStor were to certify a full EESU or functional component they might use the same firm and scientist.

I reached out to Dr. Golla to find out.

He said "No. I have not been involved in any testing since the permittivity testing at low voltage."

He added, "I would be very interested in the outcome of any such testing."

Wouldn't we all.
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