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2009 Honda FCX Clarity

Napisal/-a Joie de vivre! Če nov 15, 2007 3:06 pm

V LA-ju so predstavili serijsko varianto koncepta FCX s pogonom na gorivne celice, imenovan FCX Clarity.

Avto je zelo zvest podobi koncepta, izgleda hipermoderno in zelo privlačno, kot se za tako vozilo spodobi:

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Samo na leasing v južni Kaliforniji v krajih, kjer se da tankati vodik.

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Napisal/-a In_Liner Če nov 15, 2007 3:32 pm

malo spominja na nissan primero...je pa lepa notranjost
taka futuristična
 
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Napisal/-a Wini Če nov 15, 2007 3:37 pm

notranjost je všečna prav tako zunanjost :)dobra zadevca
Ovir ni. Ovire vidiš samo takrat, kadar umakneš pogled od cilja.
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Napisal/-a JustMuC Če nov 15, 2007 3:37 pm

Meni je tudi všeč notranjost ampak tukaj pa se tudi neha! Sprednji konec je preveč srebrn, gume so pa ko 13 colske z veliko roba... :S

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Napisal/-a esem Če nov 15, 2007 3:59 pm

Zadnji del je predolg - verjetno zaradi aerodinamike. Leasing košta 600 $ na mesec - all inclusive (brez goriva). Avtonomije ima za 430 km - po uradnih, nerealističnih ocenah. S porabniki (klima, luči itd) ali v mrazu je avtonomije manj kot 400 km. Gorivne celice naj bi razvili posebej za Clarity, delujejo tudi pri -30 stopinj Celzija.

Mechanically, (or should that be electrically) the production model sticks to the concept. A lithium ion battery provides storage for recaptured kinetic energy from the regenerative braking and returns it when needed for an extra power boost. The fuel cell powertrain is now 400 lbs lighter than the one in the first generation FCX and less than half the size of the old one. The stack can easily start at temperatures as low as -22F and it provides a 270-mile range and 68 mpg equivalent fuel economy. The interior surfaces are made from Honda's latest plant-derived biofabric.
 
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če nov 15, 2007 7:07 pm

Avto je presenetljivo dobro oblikovan, a zakaj je sprednji del odbijača pod masko kromiran?? Če bi bil ves v barvi karoserije, bi Clarity izgledal dosti bolje.

Pa še uradni press release:
Honda today unveiled the FCX Clarity fuel cell vehicle at the Los Angeles Auto Show, announcing plans to begin limited retail marketing of the vehicle in summer 2008.

The FCX Clarity is a next-generation, zero-emissions, hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicle based on the entirely-new Honda V Flow fuel cell platform, and powered by the highly compact, efficient and powerful Honda V Flow fuel cell stack. Featuring tremendous improvements to driving range, power, weight and efficiency - and boasting a low-slung, dynamic and sophisticated appearance, previously unachievable in a fuel cell vehicle - the FCX Clarity marks the significant progress Honda continues to make in advancing the real-world performance and appeal of the hydrogen-powered fuel cell car.

"The FCX Clarity is a shining symbol of the progress we've made with fuel cell vehicles and of our belief in the promise of this technology," said Tetsuo Iwamura, American Honda president and CEO. "Step by step, with continuous effort, commitment and focus, we are working to overcome obstacles to the mass-market potential of zero-emissions hydrogen fuel cell automobiles."

American Honda plans to lease the FCX Clarity to a limited number of retail consumers in Southern California with the first deliveries taking place in summer 2008.

Full details of the lease program will be set closer to launch, but current plans call for a three-year lease term with a price of $600 per month, including maintenance and collision insurance. American Honda is also developing a service infrastructure that provides customers with the best balance of convenience and the highest quality of service. When the FCX Clarity requires periodic maintenance, customers will simply schedule a visit with their local Honda dealer. American Honda will transport the vehicle to their fuel cell service facility, located in the greater Los Angeles area, where all required work will be performed. At the completion of the work, the customer will pick up their car from the dealer.

How It Works
The FCX Clarity utilizes Honda's V Flow stack in combination with a new compact and efficient lithium ion battery pack and a single hydrogen storage tank to power the vehicle's electric drive motor. The fuel cell stack operates as the vehicle's main power source. Hydrogen combines with atmospheric oxygen in the fuel cell stack, where chemical energy from the reaction is converted into electric power used to propel the vehicle. Additional energy captured through regenerative braking and deceleration is stored in the lithium ion battery pack, and used to supplement power from the fuel cell, when needed. The vehicle's only emission is water.

Honda V Flow Fuel Cell Platform
The FCX Clarity's revolutionary new V Flow platform packages the ultra-compact, lightweight and powerful Honda V Flow fuel cell stack (65 percent smaller than the previous Honda FC stack) in the vehicle's center tunnel, between the two front seats. Taking advantage of a completely new cell configuration, the vertically-oriented stack achieves an output of 100 kilowatts (kW) (versus 86kW in the current Honda FC stack) with a 50 percent increase in output density by volume (67 percent by mass). Its compact size allows for a more spacious interior and more efficient packaging of other powertrain components, which would otherwise be unattainable in a sleek, low-slung sedan.

The FCX Clarity boasts numerous other significant advances in the performance and packaging of Honda fuel cell technology, compared to the current-generation FCX. These include1:

* a 20-percent increase in fuel economy - to the approximate equivalent of 68 mpg2 combined fuel economy (about 2-3 times the fuel economy of a gasoline-powered car, and 1.5 times that of a gasoline-electric hybrid vehicle, of comparable size and performance);
* a 30-percent increase in vehicle range - to 270 miles;
* a 25-percent improvement in power-to-weight ratio, in part from an approximate 400-pound reduction in the fuel cell powertrain weight, for superior performance and efficiency despite a substantial increase in overall vehicle size;
* a 45-percent reduction in the size of the fuel cell powertrain - nearly equivalent, in terms of volume, to a modern gas-electric hybrid powertrain;
* an advanced new lithium-ion battery pack that is 40 percent lighter and 50 percent smaller than the current-generation FCX's ultra-capacitor; and
* a single 5,000-psi hydrogen storage tank with 10 percent additional hydrogen capacity than the previous model.

FCX Clarity Design
More than just a fuel cell vehicle - the FCX Clarity speaks to Honda's vision of the future of automobile design and performance freed from the constraints of conventional powertrain technologies. The FCX Clarity's four-door sedan platform features a short-nose body and spacious cabin with comfortable accommodations for four people and their luggage. Major powertrain components - including the electric motor, fuel cell stack, battery pack and hydrogen tank - have been made more compact and are distributed throughout the vehicle to further optimize space, comfort and total vehicle performance.

Advanced Materials and Components
In keeping with its theme as an environmentally-advanced automobile, the FCX Clarity features seat upholstery and door linings made from Honda Bio-Fabric - a newly-developed, plant-based material that offers CO2 reductions as an alternative to traditional interior materials, along with outstanding durability and resistance to wear, stretching, and damage from sunlight.

Designed to appeal to forward-thinking customers seeking the ultimate in zero-emissions, alternative-fuel vehicle performance, the FCX Clarity is also equipped with a full compliment of advanced safety, comfort and convenience features, including a state-of-the-art navigation system with hydrogen station locations, backup camera, premium audio, climate-controlled seats and Bluetooth™ connectivity.

Other improvements, such as shift-by-wire, electric power steering (EPS), and a newly-designed instrument panel with an easy-to-read hydrogen fuel-consumption display, further improve its customer appeal and ease of operation.

CO2 Emissions
The FCX Clarity's only emission is water. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) emissions come only from the production of hydrogen, which varies by source; however, well-to-wheel CO2 emissions using hydrogen reformed from natural gas - the most widely used method of production today - are less than half that of a conventional gasoline vehicle. With the production of hydrogen from water by electrolysis, CO2 emissions can be further reduced and ultimately approach zero if the electricity used for electrolysis is generated using solar, wind, water or nuclear power.

Honda has developed its own solar cells, with half of the CO2 emissions in the production stage compared to conventional crystalline silicon cells; and has begun mass-production and retail sales of this technology in Japan for both commercial and residential use.
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Napisal/-a MajkOly Če nov 15, 2007 7:16 pm

Mene pa ta oblika zelo spominja na priusa.
 
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Napisal/-a berlonso Če nov 15, 2007 7:23 pm

tudi mene malo na primero, malo na priusa.
sej je vse japonsko samo lahko bi se malo bolj potrudli in našli svoje oblikovalske smernice, kot jo imajo za notranjost ki je posebna in lepa...
 
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Napisal/-a Eazy-O Če nov 15, 2007 7:38 pm

Mogoče spominja na Priusa zaradi aerodinamičnih prijemov pri oblikovanju zunanjosti... Sicer nisem čisto ziher kje bo našlo največ kupcev. Kake družine verjetno.
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Napisal/-a enzospotenzo Če nov 15, 2007 8:38 pm

Zelo dobra oblika, mislim , da bi našla tudi evropske kupce s kakšnim "šparovnim" bencincem ali t. dizlom.Recimo mene...
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Napisal/-a Joie de vivre! Če nov 15, 2007 11:57 pm

Oblika je tukaj povsem sekundarnega pomena.
 
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Napisal/-a esem To nov 20, 2007 3:19 am

Nekaj o FCX-u tu http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/18 ... es-produc/
in še precej več tu http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/18 ... -the-road/ - tudi o varnosti, dizajnu, zasnovi, o Hondinem odnosu do varčevanja z energijo v FCX-u in nasploh.
Pravijo, da se avto pelje kot "prava" Honda :D .
Pravijo tudi, da bo presegel vse varnostne standarde, da je zelo lahek (manj kot dosti manjši Focus FCV in le malenkost več kot po dimenzijah primerljiva Honda Accord), z elektriko varčujejo npr tako, da klima deluje preko sedežev (takozvani CAS - ClimaAssSystem :lol:) in še marsikaj. Tudi to, da je sama vožnja (brez nakupa) cenejša kot z bencinarjem - vodik pač še ni obremenjen z davki, pa tudi porabi ga manj.

Pošten poskus in odličen dosežek, a žal je vodikova ekonomija slepa ulica - ne samo zaradi cene avta in neracionalne porabe energije.

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Napisal/-a faceless Če apr 17, 2008 8:33 pm

Kaj je s tem fokusom?

Lanski snega a?

Honda je tik pred prodajo. Letos poleti bo baje ze v polnem zagonu. Se jo ze da narocit za testne voznje.
 
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Napisal/-a Mick Jerry Če apr 17, 2008 9:33 pm

Totalno brezvezen avto, kot si rekel esem, že zaradi vodika.
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Napisal/-a _B3yBo_ Če apr 17, 2008 9:36 pm

ka vsi siljo na teh 4-5 vrat....ogabno

a neznajo dons vec avte delat k majo po 3 ali 2je vrat
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Napisal/-a faceless Pe apr 18, 2008 8:49 am

Mick Jerry je napisal/-a:Totalno brezvezen avto, kot si rekel esem, že zaradi vodika.


:lol: :lol:

Argumentiraj.

Men je zakon avto. Japonci so pokazali da so korak pred ostalimi spet. Audi in podobni nimajo niti tehnologije niti j**c za kaj takega. :P

Esem prosim da napises katera stvar primerne velikosti lahko proizvede toliko el. energije. MIck ti se mu lahko pridruzis.

Kako lepo se sciti naftni lobij, pod krinko ekologije (ironicno) vi pa se nasedate. :D
Zadnjič spremenil faceless, dne Pe apr 18, 2008 9:09 am, skupaj popravljeno 1 krat.
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Pe apr 18, 2008 9:00 am

Hehe seveda je vodik cenejši ko ni v masovni "proizvodnji".
Bi pa rad videl cene vodika v primeru da bi bilo par 100mio vozil gnanih na vodik 8)
 
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Napisal/-a faceless Pe apr 18, 2008 9:08 am

Se strinjam. Ampak vse se da ce se hoce. Trenutno se pa noce ker nekateri prevec mastno sluzijo.

Vodik je the shit fantje. SIGURNO gorivo prihodnosti. Mogoce ne v gorivnih celicah ampak se vedno gorivo prihodnosti. Navsezadnje soncece laufa na njega. ;)
 
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Napisal/-a Dr.M3 Pe apr 18, 2008 9:15 am

Jah lejte. Dokler tehnologija še ne bo izpopolnjena ne boste videli vodika. Prav tako tudi do takrat, dokler bodo cene nafte sprejemljive. Trenutno stanje ustreza vsem. Rusko gospodarstvo temelji na nafti, v precejšnji meri tudi ameriško, da ne omenjamo še vse tiste države ki črpajo nafto. Ko pa bodo lahko proizvajali/pridobivali drugi vir (recimo vodik) za podobno ceno kot sedaj črpajo nafto in prodajali za dobro ceno je pa druga pesem.
Pri koncu dobe naftnih derivatov v prevoznih sredstvih bodo šejki prodajali nafto po ključu 1 liter vode = 1 liter nafte. :D

ps: si predstavljate kakšne cene bi bile za premog/les, če slučajno ne bi bilo bencina in bi recimo vozila furali na premog/drva? :P
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