Morda Ibiza nagrado tudi zasluži, ćeprav je proti nekaterim zelo daleč od prave inovativnosti in trendseterstva, kar naj bi bia dva izmed glavnih kriterijev "red dot" nagrajevanja. Dali so nagrado tudi npr MB R -u in še čemu (npr novi BMW 3 kupe in kabrio - inovativnost?, trendseterstvo?, ali samo odprava nekaterih pomanjkljivosti?), kar nagrade ravno zelo ne zasluži.

Vsekakor je to bolj neka "splošna" nagrada za dizajn in vsekakor preobsežna (še najbolj so specializirani za zofe in podobne dosežke (priznam, malo karikiram, a samo malo), kar ni preveč spodbudno) in ni ozko specializirana na avtomobile. Pri nas (na podstrešju) ždi ta nagrada zaprašena v bolj temni luknji. Jo raje skrivamo pred nevroni.

Pri avtih pa RD, kot je za Nemce prevečkrat običaj (npr tudi Autobildova nagrada - seveda kar "Najlepši avto na svetu" - dokler je le nemški) težko zaidejo ven iz nemškega vplivnega območja.

Pri pralnih strojih je zgodba povsem drugačna - tam je nagrado nadvse zasluženo :P dobilo Gorenje - spet za izjemne inovacije

http://www.gorenjegroup.com/si/nagrade/ ... sign_award



Nekateri se bodo (bomo?) spet pritoževali, saj so jim (nam?) taki kriteriji slabo združljivi s konkretno nagrado oz malo čudni - tisti butli/laiki/pacienti/svojih_oči_malarji očitno sploh ne vedo (vemo?), kaj je nadvse inovativno oblikovan pralni stroj. In kako težko je ustvarit nekaj povsem novega (npr tista rebra ob strani so imeli pr. stroji že pred 30+ leti)? Trendseterstvo ali kombinacija modernistično-retro ziheraja? Pri avtih je zgodba podobna - s to razliko, da letos niso mogli mimo Soula, nagrajena je bila seveda tudi Insignia.

http://www.motorauthority.com/red-dot-d ... -2009.html

RD res ni neko trendseterstvo, postal je bolj marketinški pripomoček - kot sicer še marsikatera dizajnerska nagrada. Nič posebno novega...

Za češnjo na torti (in hkrati ultimativen dokaz, da tu ne gre toliko za dizajnerske dosežke, ampak predvsem za marketing!) -
tudi Golf 6 je dobil RD nagrado, niso pa je dobili npr MiTo, IQ, C3P in še (marsi)kakšen pred Golfom.

Imaš prav, to je res stvar kriterijev.
Zame je ta Ibiza nekaj bolj običajnega (beri: zlata sredina) kot pa bogvekaj, namreč žal koncern špara pri Seatu po mojem mnenju kar je škoda, kvaliteta materialov in izdelave do sedaj ni bila tako dobra kot pri VW, s Škodo je (bilo?) več ali manj ista štorija kar se mi ne zdi prav in pošteno lahko da se bodo stvari dolgoročno spremenile v tem oziru na bolje, zaenkrat tega še ne vidim in lahko da se motim, ampak, bomo videli.
Bo pa če drugega zanimivo videti kaj se bo dogajalo od sedaj naprej, ko ima Porsche večinski finančni kontrolni delež.

Lp

SEAT je objavil, da bodo predstavili tudi karavansko Ibizo ST (Sport Tourer). Prva uradna skica:

During the brand's annual meeting, Erich Schmitt, President of SEAT, announced that third variant of the new Ibiza - the Seat Ibiza ST - will be launched next year. The Seat Ibiza ST, or Sports Tourer, will be a wagon that will probably offer the same engine line-up as the current versions. The Seat Ibiza ST will be powered by either one of these engines: 1.9 TDI with 105 hp, 1.6 16V with 105 hp, 1.4 16V with 85 hp or 1.2 12V with 70 hp.

Erich Schmitt also said the Seat Ibiza ST will be produced in Martorell, but did not disclose any further details.

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Seat-Ibi ... unced.html

Ibiza FR:




http://es.autoblog.com/2009/04/16/seat- ... -ibiza-fr/

Nova Ibiza bo dobila 1,6 litrski common-rail dizelski motor s 90 konji. Gre za prvi CR dizel v tem avtomobilu. Motor bo zamenjal starega enako močnega 1,9 litrskega dizla.

The revised Ibiza lineup will come equipped with 1.6-liter TDI CR engine in both 5-door and SC version, the Spanish car manufacturer confirmed. This is the first time SEAT's Ibiza is offered with a common rail system and, according to a press release, the company took this decision because such a configuration is capable of delivering enhanced engine performance while reducing all levels of noise, fuel consumption plus emissions.

Stepping to some official performance figures, the 1.6-liter TDI CR engine generates 90 horsepower and 230 Nm of torque between 1,500 and 2,500 rpm, with average fuel consumption reaching 4.2 l/100 (56 mpg) in combined conditions. The engine produces 109 grams of CO2 per kilometer, according to SEAT, and is mated to a five-speed manual gearbox. More importantly, it fully complies with Euro 5 emission regulations that will become mandatory across the continent in 2010.

The engine will enter the the Ibiza range between the current 80 hp 1.4 TDI and 105 hp 1.9 TDI engines, replacing the 90 hp 1.9 TDI engine. Additionally, it "signals the gradual start of including the common rail system to the Ibiza range," which gives us a hint that more common rail engines are expected to be offered on Ibiza in the near future.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/seat- ... -6150.html

martin_krpan je napisal/-a:Nova Ibiza bo dobila 1,6 litrski common-rail dizelski motor s 90 konji. Gre za prvi CR dizel v tem avtomobilu. Motor bo zamenjal starega enako močnega 1,9 litrskega dizla.

The revised Ibiza lineup will come equipped with 1.6-liter TDI CR engine in both 5-door and SC version, the Spanish car manufacturer confirmed. This is the first time SEAT's Ibiza is offered with a common rail system and, according to a press release, the company took this decision because such a configuration is capable of delivering enhanced engine performance while reducing all levels of noise, fuel consumption plus emissions.

Stepping to some official performance figures, the 1.6-liter TDI CR engine generates 90 horsepower and 230 Nm of torque between 1,500 and 2,500 rpm, with average fuel consumption reaching 4.2 l/100 (56 mpg) in combined conditions. The engine produces 109 grams of CO2 per kilometer, according to SEAT, and is mated to a five-speed manual gearbox. More importantly, it fully complies with Euro 5 emission regulations that will become mandatory across the continent in 2010.

The engine will enter the the Ibiza range between the current 80 hp 1.4 TDI and 105 hp 1.9 TDI engines, replacing the 90 hp 1.9 TDI engine. Additionally, it "signals the gradual start of including the common rail system to the Ibiza range," which gives us a hint that more common rail engines are expected to be offered on Ibiza in the near future.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/seat- ... -6150.html

Je bil že skrajni čas!

za FR-ko sem ze videl pred par dnevi predstavitev na slo strani...ampak, a so ze znane cene?

Media3 je napisal/-a:

martin_krpan je napisal/-a:Nova Ibiza bo dobila 1,6 litrski common-rail dizelski motor s 90 konji. Gre za prvi CR dizel v tem avtomobilu. Motor bo zamenjal starega enako močnega 1,9 litrskega dizla.

The revised Ibiza lineup will come equipped with 1.6-liter TDI CR engine in both 5-door and SC version, the Spanish car manufacturer confirmed. This is the first time SEAT's Ibiza is offered with a common rail system and, according to a press release, the company took this decision because such a configuration is capable of delivering enhanced engine performance while reducing all levels of noise, fuel consumption plus emissions.

Stepping to some official performance figures, the 1.6-liter TDI CR engine generates 90 horsepower and 230 Nm of torque between 1,500 and 2,500 rpm, with average fuel consumption reaching 4.2 l/100 (56 mpg) in combined conditions. The engine produces 109 grams of CO2 per kilometer, according to SEAT, and is mated to a five-speed manual gearbox. More importantly, it fully complies with Euro 5 emission regulations that will become mandatory across the continent in 2010.

The engine will enter the the Ibiza range between the current 80 hp 1.4 TDI and 105 hp 1.9 TDI engines, replacing the 90 hp 1.9 TDI engine. Additionally, it "signals the gradual start of including the common rail system to the Ibiza range," which gives us a hint that more common rail engines are expected to be offered on Ibiza in the near future.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/seat- ... -6150.html

Je bil že skrajni čas!

Glede na dejstvo, da je predhodnik na trgu že skoraj 2 desetletji, brez dvoma.

Brez dvoma, pa bo težko nasledil dobre lastnosti predhodnika.

Kako dober/dostojen naslednik je, bo najbolje pokazal čas.

LP

Proukcijska Bocanegra

he Bocanegra gets a dramatic piano black plastic front end, which is very similar to that of the original concept car. Based on the Ibiza Cupra, it also gets black double headlights, a central grille with honeycomb mesh plus a host of neat air vents. There are also black door mirror housings, a dark tinted roof and 17-inch alloys.

At the back is another honeycomb mesh grille, a roof spoiler and two Bocanegra badges. Inside, the cabin gets special sports seats with a capital 'B' stitched in red. There's also a three-spoke flat-bottomed steering wheel, which has a capital 'B' in aluminium too.

While the Bocanegra will be available with the choice of a 148bhp or 178bhp 1.4-litre TSI turbocharged and supercharged engine in Spain, the UK will simply get the hotter option. With an electronic limited slip differential and a seven-speed DSG paddleshift gearbox, expect the Bocanegra to do 0-60mph in seven seconds.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoe ... negra.html






http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/11645 ... oncept-car

No, to pa bo popestrilo ceste.

Lp

upam da bocanegre ne bo, da nebo treba spet avta menat ops:

Tole mi sploh ne gre v račun: majo FR in Cupro, sedaj pa še kao ta verzija ki bo na voljo z obema motorjema (od FR in Cupre). Svašta

Takšna bi morala biti FR ali Cupra že od začetka. Ne vem kaj so mečkali, očitno jim je to moral dopovedati trg.
Navadna je pač nekako... ne vem..., Angleži imajo dober izraz ''bland''.

Sem vedu da bo iz prototipa nekej serijskega ratalo Tale Bocanegra bi mogla bit Cupra, pa bi blo! Ne pa da majo 5 verzij iste kiblce Šalo na stran, kdorkoli jo že kupi, priporočam lakiranje letvice okoli maske v barvo karoserije ter temnenje zadnjih luči pa bo avto res bomba!

Lp!

Hvala bogu, da so naredili hudo ibizo, ker obične so grde.

modri D. je napisal/-a:Sem vedu da bo iz prototipa nekej serijskega ratalo Tale Bocanegra bi mogla bit Cupra, pa bi blo! Ne pa da majo 5 verzij iste kiblce Šalo na stran, kdorkoli jo že kupi, priporočam lakiranje letvice okoli maske v barvo karoserije ter temnenje zadnjih luči pa bo avto res bomba!

Lp!

hehe sam pol nau Bocanegra (črna usta)


Drugače pa kam naj bi se tole uvrščal, med FR in Cupro al kako???

Glede mašine se pa strinjam, pol bi mogla imeti Cupra 2.0TFSI, al pa vsaj Cupra R

Bocanegra bo upgrade (nekakšen bodykit) na Cupro oz. ločen model od Cupre.

Naročiti jo bo možno že cez nekaj tednov, cene še ne vem. Glede na to da
bo kmalu polega Leona Cupra na voljo še Leon Cupra R (260 KM), se verjetno
obeta še močnejša verzija še pri Ibizi.

Se pa strinjam - izgleda brutalno.

Upam da naredijo še Leona "Bocanegro". Avtu vsekakor vse pohvale glede zunanje oblike, lege na cesti, motorjev in še česa, ampak preprosto je Leon Cupra premalo drzen.

no, k so tele slike bocanegre, se sprašujem, kdo je koga kopiral to črnino na odbijaču? Seat Renaulta al Renault Seata (govorim za RS oddelek pri Renaultu).