Dajte se zdaj že zedinit za te obrate. Par strani nazaj je nekdo napisal, da jih ima 3.000 pri cca. 140 km/h, še malo bolj nazaj je nekdo drug rekel, da jih ima 2.500 pri 130 km/h, sedaj pa naj bi jih imel 2.350 pri 130 km/h (v vseh treh primerih v 6. prestavi) ?!?!

Tukaj je bilo govora o golfih in polotih, verjetni nimata oba enakega menjalnika in enakih obratov pri teh hitrostih.

2300 v 6. se mi zdi malo.
Ima moj 1.9 dci okrog 2100 pri 130 pa je dizel in ima dolge prestave.VW golf 5 12.0 TDI vem, da ima krajše kot 1.9dci
OFF:Kje je kakšna stran, kjer so grafi motorjev (krivulja moči in navora) ter diagrami menjalnika.Včasih je bilo to v reviji Avtomagazin ob vsakem testu zraven narisano.

BTW, kako se kaj obnese predelava na plin pri teh motorjih?

need 4 speed je napisal/-a:OFF:Kje je kakšna stran, kjer so grafi motorjev (krivulja moči in navora) ter diagrami menjalnika.Včasih je bilo to v reviji Avtomagazin ob vsakem testu zraven narisano.

http://www.rri.se/index.php?DN=29
Ni pa na žalost diagramov menjalnika oz. prestavnih razmerij. To so imeli v Avtomagazinu res odlično narejeno.
Sicer pa se izredno težko dobi na netu prestavna razmerja, a je to taka skrivnost? Sem tudi že jaz iskal kot zmešan.

BTW, kako se kaj obnese predelava na plin pri teh motorjih?

Glede na to, da gre za neposredni vbrizg bencina, ne verjamem da že obstaja plinska napeljava za tak tip mašine. Mislim, da nenehno spreminja čas vbrizga, enkrat kot navaden bencinc, drugič malo pred iskro. Bi rekel, da bi težko za 1000€ naredil plinsko napeljavo, ki bi to zmogla.

Polo78 je napisal/-a:Dajte se zdaj že zedinit za te obrate. Par strani nazaj je nekdo napisal, da jih ima 3.000 pri cca. 140 km/h, še malo bolj nazaj je nekdo drug rekel, da jih ima 2.500 pri 130 km/h, sedaj pa naj bi jih imel 2.350 pri 130 km/h (v vseh treh primerih v 6. prestavi) ?!?!

Itak folk ne ve točno brat iz števca. Kaj šele da bi vedli izračunat kolko kmh pri 1000 rpm pride.
Kaj pa si sploh želite tako dolge prestave, daljša kij e prestava bolj je avto len pa več moraš menjavat.

Energetik81 je napisal/-a:

need 4 speed je napisal/-a:OFF:Kje je kakšna stran, kjer so grafi motorjev (krivulja moči in navora) ter diagrami menjalnika.Včasih je bilo to v reviji Avtomagazin ob vsakem testu zraven narisano.

http://www.rri.se/index.php?DN=29
Ni pa na žalost diagramov menjalnika oz. prestavnih razmerij. To so imeli v Avtomagazinu res odlično narejeno.
Sicer pa se izredno težko dobi na netu prestavna razmerja, a je to taka skrivnost? Sem tudi že jaz iskal kot zmešan.

BTW, kako se kaj obnese predelava na plin pri teh motorjih?

Glede na to, da gre za neposredni vbrizg bencina, ne verjamem da že obstaja plinska napeljava za tak tip mašine. Mislim, da nenehno spreminja čas vbrizga, enkrat kot navaden bencinc, drugič malo pred iskro. Bi rekel, da bi težko za 1000€ naredil plinsko napeljavo, ki bi to zmogla.

V majskem Avto Fokusu imaš predstavljeno eno Škodo Superb s TSIjem predelano na plin. Predelava tega avta pa je 2100 eur.

Drugače že kar en čas obstajajo sistemi za motorje z dirketnim vbrizgom, samo so pa malo dražji.

da se ne boste prevec matrali. Tole kar vas trenutno zanima

Gearbox Six-speed manual gearbox
Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear :1 3.615/14.218
Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear :1 1.955/7.689
Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear :1 1.281/5.038
Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear :1 0.927/3.646
Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear :1 0.74/2.91
Individual/overall ratio, 6th gear :1 0.611/2.403
Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear :1 4.508/17.73
Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.933//

boste znali izracunati? namig... gume so 185/60 15" in ostale v rangu +/- 3%

v 4. prestavi se pri 1000rpm vozis z dobrimi 31kph (toliko kot povprecen bencinar v zadnji prestavi)
v 5. prestavi @1000rpm vozis 39.03kph
v 6. prestavi @1000rpm vozis 47.30kph


teza goriva z vsemi tekocinami, 90% tankom goriva in 75kg voznikom je 1088kg, kar je tudi en velik plus k temu, da je avto tako zivahen.

need 4 speed je napisal/-a:2300 v 6. se mi zdi malo.
Ima moj 1.9 dci okrog 2100 pri 130 pa je dizel in ima dolge prestave.VW golf 5 12.0 TDI vem, da ima krajše kot 1.9dci
OFF:Kje je kakšna stran, kjer so grafi motorjev (krivulja moči in navora) ter diagrami menjalnika.Včasih je bilo to v reviji Avtomagazin ob vsakem testu zraven narisano.

pri 100kmh (DEJANSKI, ne po stevcu!) ima polo 1.2tsi v zadnji prestavi torej tocno 2114rpm
pri 130kmh pa 2748rpm

ok, odvisno od napumpanosti gum

ggorenc je napisal/-a:

need 4 speed je napisal/-a:2300 v 6. se mi zdi malo.
Ima moj 1.9 dci okrog 2100 pri 130 pa je dizel in ima dolge prestave.VW golf 5 12.0 TDI vem, da ima krajše kot 1.9dci
OFF:Kje je kakšna stran, kjer so grafi motorjev (krivulja moči in navora) ter diagrami menjalnika.Včasih je bilo to v reviji Avtomagazin ob vsakem testu zraven narisano.

pri 100kmh (DEJANSKI, ne po stevcu!) ima polo 1.2tsi v zadnji prestavi torej tocno 2114rpm
pri 130kmh pa 2748rpm

ok, odvisno od napumpanosti gum

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1.2TSI

Polo 77 kW
(105 PS)
2 Engine, electrics
3 Type of engine 4-cyl. petrol engine TSI
4 Engine position Front transverse installation
5 Material of cylinder head and engine block Aluminium alloy/grey cast iron casting
6 Bore/stroke mm 71/75.6
7 Effective displacement cm³ 1,197
8 Valves per cylinder, drive 2, parallel/indirect, roller rocker finger
9 Number of camshafts, position, drive 1/in cylinder head/chain driven
10 Crank offset in degrees 180
11 Number of crankshaft bearings 5
12 Compression ratio :1 10
13 Mixture formation Direct petrol injection
14 Type of charging and pressure Turbocharger/charge pressure
15 Ignition system Distributorless electronic ignition
16 Emissions control system 3-way catalytic converter with Lambda probe
17 Power output kW (PS) at rpm 77 (105) 5,000
18 Max. torque Nm at rpm 175/1,550-4,100
19 Alternator A 110
20 Battery, capacity A(Ah) 220 (44)
21
22 Performance (at curb weight + 200 kg)
23 Acceleration 0 - 80/100 km/h s 6.5/9.7
24 Acceleration 0 - 400/1000 m/s s /
25 Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h, 5th/6th gear s 12.5/16.5
26 Top speed km/h 190
27 Stationary noise/driving noise dB(A) 79/71
28
29 Fuel consumption (99/100/EC)
30 Fuel type Premium 95 RON
31 Urban l/100km 6.8
32 Extra-urban l/100km 4.5
33 Combined cycle l/100km 5.3
34 Emissions (CO2/HC/NOx/HC+NOx/particulates) g/km 124/0.04/0.02/ /0
35 Exhaust emissions classification Euro 5
36
37 Power transmission
38 Type of clutch Single-plate dry clutch
39 Gearbox Six-speed manual gearbox
40 Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear :1 3.615/14.218
41 Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear :1 1.955/7.689
42 Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear :1 1.281/5.038
43 Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear :1 0.927/3.646
44 Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear :1 0.74/2.91
45 Individual/overall ratio, 6th gear :1 0.611/2.403
46 Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear :1 4.508/17.73
47 Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.933//
48 Running gear Front: independent suspension, McPherson struts and coil springs. Rear: torsion beam axle, trailing arms, coil springs. Electrohydraulic power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering.
49 Wheels 6 J x 15
50 Tyres 185/60 R 15 T
51
52 Brakes
53 Brakes Disc brakes front and rear, front discs ventilated, ABS, EBPD, brake assist system.
54 Type of ABS Hydraulic ABS system
55 Ø Discs/drums front/rear mm 256/230
56 Wheels to which parking brake is applied Rear wheels
57
58 Exterior dimensions
59 Number of doors 2
60 Length/width/height mm 3,970/1,682/1,462
61 Wheelbase mm 2,470
62 Track, front/rear mm 1,463/1,456
63 Turning circle m 10.6
64 Steering ratio 15.84
65
66 Interior dimensions
67 Number of seats 5
68 Front entry, width/height mm 1,046/1,300
69 Interior length mm 1,674
70 Elbow width at front/rear mm 1,432/1,393
71
72 Luggage compartment
73 Length, rear seat raised/folded down mm 699/1,371
74 Greatest luggage compartment width mm 962
75 Smallest luggage compartment width mm 942
76 Height mm 499
77 Load height up to headlining mm 820
78 Volume by VDA measurement: rear seat raised/folded down l 280/952
79 Width of tailgate mm 1,060/900
80
81 Weights
82 Unladen weight kg 1,088
83 Permitted gross weight kg 1,570
84 Payload kg 557
85 Perm. axle load, front/rear kg 850/770
86 Perm. trailer load up to 12%, braked/unbraked kg 1,200/540
87 Perm. drawbar weight/roof load kg 50/75
88
89 Capacities
90 Fuel tank l 45
91
92 Service
93 Oil change interval km Depending up on service indicator
94 Inspection interval Depending up on service indicator
95 Warranty 2 years unlimited mileage, 3 years paintwork, 12 years
body perforation, mobility guarantee
96 Insurance classification 15/14/13
97 Cd value 0.32
98 Area Cd m² 2.05
99 Air resistance Cd x Area Cd 0.66

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1.4 bencinar

Polo 63 kW
(85 PS)
2 Engine, electrics
3 Type of engine 4-cyl. 16V petrol engine
4 Engine position Front transverse installation
5 Material of cylinder head and engine block Aluminium alloy/grey cast iron casting
6 Bore/stroke mm 76.5/75.6
7 Effective displacement cm³ 1,390
8 Valves per cylinder, drive 4 at an angle/indirect, roller rocker finger
9 Number of camshafts, position, drive 2/in cylinder head/toothed belt driven
10 Crank offset in degrees 180
11 Number of crankshaft bearings 5
12 Compression ratio :1 10.5
13 Mixture formation Indirect electronic multi-point injection
14 Type of charging and pressure --
15 Ignition system Distributorless electronic ignition
16 Emissions control system 3-way catalytic converter with Lambda probe
17 Power output kW (PS) at rpm 63 (85) 5,000
18 Max. torque Nm at rpm 132/3,800
19 Alternator A 110
20 Battery, capacity A(Ah) 220 (44)
21
22 Performance (at curb weight + 200 kg)
23 Acceleration 0 - 80/100 km/h s 8/12.1
24 Acceleration 0 - 400/1000 m/s s 18.1/33.4
25 Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h, 5th/6th gear s 18/
26 Top speed km/h 177
27 Stationary noise/driving noise dB(A) 81/73
28
29 Fuel consumption (99/100/EC)
30 Fuel type Premium 95 RON
31 Urban l/100km 8
32 Extra-urban l/100km 4.7
33 Combined cycle l/100km 5.9
34 Emissions (CO2/HC/NOx/HC+NOx/particulates) g/km 139/0.05/0.03/ /
35 Exhaust emissions classification Euro 5
36
37 Power transmission
38 Type of clutch Single-plate dry clutch
39 Gearbox Five-speed manual gearbox
40 Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear :1 3.769/14.631
41 Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear :1 2.095/8.133
42 Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear :1 1.387/5.384
43 Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear :1 1.026/3.983
44 Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear :1 0.813/3.156
45 Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear :1 3.182/12.353
46 Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.882//
47 Running gear Front: independent suspension, McPherson struts and coil springs. Rear: torsion beam axle, trailing arms, coil springs. Electrohydraulic power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering.
48 Wheels 6 J x 15
49 Tyres 185/60 R 15 T
50
51 Brakes
52 Brakes Disc brakes front and rear, front discs ventilated, ABS, EBPD, brake assist system.
53 Type of ABS Hydraulic ABS system
54 Ø Discs/drums front/rear mm 256/230
55 Wheels to which parking brake is applied Rear wheels
56
57 Exterior dimensions
58 Number of doors 2
59 Length/width/height mm 3,970/1,682/1,462
60 Wheelbase mm 2,470
61 Track, front/rear mm 1,463/1,456
62 Turning circle m 10.6
63 Steering ratio 15.84
64
65 Interior dimensions
66 Number of seats 5
67 Front entry, width/height mm 1,046/1,300
68 Interior length mm 1,674
69 Elbow width at front/rear mm 1,432/1,393
70
71 Luggage compartment
72 Length, rear seat raised/folded down mm 699/1,371
73 Greatest luggage compartment width mm 962
74 Smallest luggage compartment width mm 942
75 Height mm 499
76 Load height up to headlining mm 820
77 Volume by VDA measurement: rear seat raised/folded down l 280/952
78 Width of tailgate mm 1,060/900
79
80 Weights
81 Unladen weight kg 995
82 Permitted gross weight kg 1,550
83 Payload kg 555
84 Perm. axle load, front/rear kg 830/770
85 Perm. trailer load up to 12%, braked/unbraked kg 1,000/530
86 Perm. drawbar weight/roof load kg 50/75
87
88 Capacities
89 Windscreen washer water l 3.5
90 Fuel tank l 45
91
92 Service
93 Oil change interval km Depending up on service indicator
94 Inspection interval Depending up on service indicator
95 Warranty 2 years unlimited mileage, 3 years paintwork, 12 years
body perforation, mobility guarantee
96 Insurance classification 15/14/13
97 Cd value 0.32
98 Area Cd m² 2.05
99 Air resistance Cd x Area Cd 0.66

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1.6 105KM dizel

Polo 77 kW
(105 PS)
2 Engine, electrics
3 Type of engine 4-cyl. 16V diesel engine TDI CR (diesel particulate filter)
4 Engine position Front transverse installation
5 Material of cylinder head and engine block Aluminium alloy/grey cast iron casting
6 Bore/stroke mm 79.5/80.5
7 Effective displacement cm³ 1,598
8 Valves per cylinder, drive 4 at an angle/indirect, roller rocker finger
9 Number of camshafts, position, drive 2/in cylinder head/toothed belt driven
10 Crank offset in degrees 180
11 Number of crankshaft bearings 5
12 Compression ratio :1 16.5
13 Mixture formation Diesel direct injection, common rail
14 Type of charging and pressure Turbocharger/charge pressure
15 Ignition system Compression ignition, diesel
16 Emissions control system Two-way catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter
17 Power output kW (PS) at rpm 77 (105) 4,400
18 Max. torque Nm at rpm 250/1,500-2,500
19 Alternator A 140
20 Battery, capacity A(Ah) 330 (61)
21
22 Performance (at curb weight + 200 kg)
23 Acceleration 0 - 80/100 km/h s 7/10.4
24 Acceleration 0 - 400/1000 m/s s /
25 Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h, 5th/6th gear s 13.5/
26 Top speed km/h 190
27 Stationary noise/driving noise dB(A) 71/71
28
29 Fuel consumption (99/100/EC)
30 Fuel type Diesel min. 51 CN
31 Urban l/100km 5.1
32 Extra-urban l/100km 3.6
33 Combined cycle l/100km 4.2
34 Emissions (CO2/HC/NOx/HC+NOx/particulates) g/km 109/ /0.17/0.21/0
35 Exhaust emissions classification Euro 5
36
37 Power transmission
38 Type of clutch Single-plate dry clutch, dual-mass flywheel
39 Gearbox Five-speed manual gearbox
40 Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear :1 3.778/11.931
41 Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear :1 2.118/6.689
42 Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear :1 1.269/4.008
43 Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear :1 0.865/2.732
44 Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear :1 0.66/2.084
45 Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear :1 3.6/11.369
46 Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.158//
47 Running gear Front: independent suspension, McPherson struts and coil springs. Rear: torsion beam axle, trailing arms, coil springs. Electrohydraulic power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering.
48 Wheels 6 J x 15
49 Tyres 185/60 R 15 H
50
51 Brakes
52 Brakes Disc brakes front and rear, front discs ventilated, ABS, EBPD, brake assist system.
53 Type of ABS Hydraulic ABS system
54 Ø Discs/drums front/rear mm 288/230
55 Wheels to which parking brake is applied Rear wheels
56
57 Exterior dimensions
58 Number of doors 2
59 Length/width/height mm 3,970/1,682/1,462
60 Wheelbase mm 2,470
61 Track, front/rear mm 1,463/1,456
62 Turning circle m 10.6
63 Steering ratio 15.84
64
65 Interior dimensions
66 Number of seats 5
67 Front entry, width/height mm 1,046/1,300
68 Interior length mm 1,674
69 Elbow width at front/rear mm 1,432/1,393
70
71 Luggage compartment
72 Length, rear seat raised/folded down mm 699/1,371
73 Greatest luggage compartment width mm 962
74 Smallest luggage compartment width mm 942
75 Height mm 499
76 Load height up to headlining mm 820
77 Volume by VDA measurement: rear seat raised/folded down l 261/952
78 Width of tailgate mm 1,060/900
79
80 Weights
81 Unladen weight kg 1,090
82 Permitted gross weight kg 1,660
83 Payload kg 570
84 Perm. axle load, front/rear kg 940/770
85 Perm. trailer load up to 12%, braked/unbraked kg 1,200/580
86 Perm. drawbar weight/roof load kg 50/75
87
88 Capacities
89 Fuel tank l 45
90
91 Service
92 Oil change interval km Depending up on service indicator
93 Inspection interval Depending up on service indicator
94 Warranty 2 years unlimited mileage, 3 years paintwork, 12 years
body perforation, mobility guarantee
95 Insurance classification 18/17/16
96 Cd value 0.32
97 Area Cd m² 2.05
98 Air resistance Cd x Area Cd 0.66

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90KM dizel

Polo 66 kW
(90 PS)
2 Engine, electrics
3 Type of engine 4-cyl. 16V diesel engine TDI CR (diesel particulate filter)
4 Engine position Front transverse installation
5 Material of cylinder head and engine block Aluminium alloy/grey cast iron casting
6 Bore/stroke mm 79.5/80.5
7 Effective displacement cm³ 1,598
8 Valves per cylinder, drive 4 at an angle/indirect, roller rocker finger
9 Number of camshafts, position, drive 2/in cylinder head/toothed belt driven
10 Crank offset in degrees 180
11 Number of crankshaft bearings 5
12 Compression ratio :1 16.5
13 Mixture formation Diesel direct injection, common rail
14 Type of charging and pressure Turbocharger/charge pressure
15 Ignition system Compression ignition, diesel
16 Emissions control system Two-way catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter
17 Power output kW (PS) at rpm 66 (90) 4,200
18 Max. torque Nm at rpm 230/1,500-2,500
19 Alternator A 140
20 Battery, capacity A(Ah) 330 (61)
21
22 Performance (at curb weight + 200 kg)
23 Acceleration 0 - 80/100 km/h s 7.8/11.5
24 Acceleration 0 - 400/1000 m/s s /
25 Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h, 5th/6th gear s 14.5/
26 Top speed km/h 180
27 Stationary noise/driving noise dB(A) 71/70
28
29 Fuel consumption (99/100/EC)
30 Fuel type Diesel min. 51 CN
31 Urban l/100km 5.1
32 Extra-urban l/100km 3.6
33 Combined cycle l/100km 4.2
34 Emissions (CO2/HC/NOx/HC+NOx/particulates) g/km 109/ /0.17/0.21/0
35 Exhaust emissions classification Euro 5
36
37 Power transmission
38 Type of clutch Single-plate dry clutch, dual-mass flywheel
39 Gearbox Five-speed manual gearbox
40 Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear :1 3.778/11.931
41 Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear :1 2.118/6.689
42 Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear :1 1.269/4.008
43 Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear :1 0.865/2.732
44 Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear :1 0.66/2.084
45 Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear :1 3.6/11.369
46 Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.158//
47 Running gear Front: independent suspension, McPherson struts and coil springs. Rear: torsion beam axle, trailing arms, coil springs. Electrohydraulic power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering.
48 Wheels 6 J x 15
49 Tyres 185/60 R 15 T
50
51 Brakes
52 Brakes Disc brakes front and rear, front discs ventilated, ABS, EBPD, brake assist system.
53 Type of ABS Electronically controlled ABS system
54 Ø Discs/drums front/rear mm 256/230
55 Wheels to which parking brake is applied Rear wheels
56
57 Exterior dimensions
58 Number of doors 2
59 Length/width/height mm 3,970/1,682/1,462
60 Wheelbase mm 2,470
61 Track, front/rear mm 1,463/1,456
62 Turning circle m 10.6
63 Steering ratio 15.84
64
65 Interior dimensions
66 Number of seats 5
67 Front entry, width/height mm 1,046/1,300
68 Interior length mm 1,674
69 Elbow width at front/rear mm 1,432/1,393
70
71 Luggage compartment
72 Length, rear seat raised/folded down mm 699/1,371
73 Greatest luggage compartment width mm 962
74 Smallest luggage compartment width mm 942
75 Height mm 499
76 Load height up to headlining mm 820
77 Volume by VDA measurement: rear seat raised/folded down l 280/952
78 Width of tailgate mm 1,060/900
79
80 Weights
81 Unladen weight kg 1,082
82 Permitted gross weight kg 1,650
83 Payload kg 568
84 Perm. axle load, front/rear kg 930/770
85 Perm. trailer load up to 12%, braked/unbraked kg 1,200/570
86 Perm. drawbar weight/roof load kg 50/75
87
88 Capacities
89 Fuel tank l 45
90
91 Service
92 Oil change interval km Depending up on service indicator
93 Inspection interval Depending up on service indicator
94 Warranty 2 years unlimited mileage, 3 years paintwork, 12 years
body perforation, mobility guarantee
95 Insurance classification 18/16/17
96 Cd value 0.32
97 Area Cd m² 2.05
98 Air resistance Cd x Area Cd 0.66


Naj vas podatki o pospesevanju 80-120kmh v doloceni prestavi ne zavedejo, ker ima vsak polo nenormalno dolge prestave. najmocnejsi turbo bencinar in turbo dizel v rangu lamborghinija galardo.

@ggorenc, ubijal bi za take podatke za katerikoli avto. Kje si to našel?

Končno konkretni podatki in ne nekaj "od oka".

A bi se dalo še za 1.4 TSI (122km) prilepit?

ggorenc je napisal/-a:pri 100kmh (DEJANSKI, ne po stevcu!) ima polo 1.2tsi v zadnji prestavi torej tocno 2114rpm
pri 130kmh pa 2748rpm

ok, odvisno od napumpanosti gum

Po drugi strani je pa to spet nek čisto drug podatek oz. še najbolj točen tistemu, ki je dejal, da jih ima okoli 3.000 pri 140 km/h. Verjamem, da folk ne zna točno odčitat obrate iz števca ampak, da se zmotiš za toliko?

Pa še nekaj: Ali obrati v določeni prestavi vedno rastejo linearno s hitrostjo? Ker potemtakem jih je pri hitrosti 190 km/h po tem istem izračunu nekaj malega čez 4.000. Pa jih je toliko?

Energetik81 je napisal/-a:@ggorenc, ubijal bi za take podatke za katerikoli avto. Kje si to našel?

Za VW imajo dostop do teh podatkov vsi novinarji in tudi prodajalci (preko uvoznika)...

Polo78 je napisal/-a:A bi se dalo še za 1.4 TSI (122km) prilepit?

VW Golf 1.4 TSI (90 kW / 122 KM) je napisal/-a:Engine
Type of engine 4-cyl. petrol engine TSI
Engine position Front transverse installation
Material of cylinder head and engine block Aluminium alloy/grey cast iron casting
Bore/stroke [mm] 76.5/75.6
Effective displacement [cm³] 1,390
Valves per cylinder, drive 4 at an angle/indirect, roller rocker finger
Number of camshafts, position, drive 2/in cylinder head/chain driven
Crank offset in degrees 180
Number of crankshaft bearings 5
Compression ratio [:1] 10
Mixture formation Direct petrol injection
Type of charging and pressure Turbocharger/charge pressure
Ignition system Distributorless electronic ignition
Emissions control system 3-way catalytic converter with Lambda probe
Power output [kW (PS) at rpm] 90 (122) 5,000
Max. torque [Nm at rpm] 200/1,500-4,000
Alternator [A] 140
Battery, capacity [A(Ah)] 220 (44)

Performance
Acceleration 0 - 80/100 km/h [s] 6.5/9.5
Acceleration 0 - 400/1000 m/s [s] 16.9/31
Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h, 5th/6th gear [s] 12/15
Top speed [km/h] 200
Stationary noise/driving noise [dB(A)] 75/72

Fuel consumption
Fuel type Premium 95 RON
Urban [l/100km] 8.2
Extra-urban [l/100km] 5.1
Combined cycle [l/100km] 6.2
Emissions (CO2/HC/NOx/HC+NOx/particulates) [g/km] 144/0.03/0.05/ /0
Exhaust emissions classification Euro 5

Power transmission
Type of clutch Single-plate dry clutch, dual-mass flywheel
Gearbox Six-speed manual gearbox
Individual/overall ratio, 1st gear [:1] 3.778/13.778
Individual/overall ratio, 2nd gear [:1] 2.063/7.524
Individual/overall ratio, 3rd gear [:1] 1.455/5.306
Individual/overall ratio, 4th gear [:1] 1.107/4.037
Individual/overall ratio, 5th gear [:1] 0.875/3.191
Individual/overall ratio, 6th gear [:1] 0.733/2.673
Individual/overall ratio, reverse gear [:1] 3.6/13.129
Front final drive ratio, output shafts 1/2/3 3.647//
Running gear Front: McPherson struts with lower wishbones. Rear: four-link suspension with separate spring/shock absorber arrangement, anti-roll bars front and rear. ESP, TSC electromechanical servotronic steering with speed-dependent power assistance.
Wheels 6 1/2 J x 16
Tyres 205/55 R 16 H

Brakes
Brakes Disc brakes front and rear, front discs ventilated, ABS, EBPD, dual brake assist.
Type of ABS Hydraulic ABS system
Ø Discs/drums front/rear [mm] 288/253
Wheels to which parking brake is applied Rear wheels

Exterior dimensions
Number of doors 2
Length/width/height [mm] 4,199/1,779/1,480
Wheelbase [mm] 2,575
Track, front/rear [mm] 1,541/1,514
Turning circle [m] 10.9
Steering ratio 14.96

Interior dimensions
Number of seats 5
Front entry, width/height [mm] 1,071/1,316
Interior length [mm] 1,736
Elbow width at front/rear [mm] 1,447/1,452

Weights
Unladen weight [kg] 1,215
Permitted gross weight [kg] 1,820
Payload [kg] 605
Perm. axle load, front/rear [kg] 990/880
Perm. trailer load up to 12%, braked/unbraked [kg] 1,300/640
Perm. drawbar weight/roof load [kg] 75/75

Capacities
Windscreen washer water [l] 3
Fuel tank [l] 55

Service
Oil change interval [km] Depending up on service indicator
Inspection interval Depending up on service indicator
Warranty 2 years unlimited mileage, 3 years paintwork, 12 years body perforation, mobility guarantee
Insurance classification 18/17/15
Cd value 0.31
Area Cd [m²] 2.22
Air resistance Cd x Area Cd 0.69

Kaj pa Golf V 1.9 /105 s 6 prestavami?

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a to imaš iz AutoData programa?

Primerjava porabe goriva(v oklepajih so vrednosti po potovalnem računalniku):

1.2 TSI 1.6 TDI 90 1.6 TDI 105

avtocesta (pov. hitrost 153km/h) 16,6(15.9) 9,9(8.9) 10,1(9.2)
avtocesta (pri 153km/h večinoma v hrib) 7,7(7.9) 6,4(6,1) 5,8(6,3)
magistrala (pov. hitrost 65km/h) 12,2(11,6) 8,3(7,9) 8,3(8,2)
magistrala (varčno) 5.9(5,2) 4.3(3,9) 4.6(4,1)

Naj vas povprečne hitrosti ne zavedejo. V 1. primeru pomeni, da so vozili vsaj 170, 180 km/h, ker imajo cestnine in tudi kakšna počasnela se najde na prehitevalnem pasu. Napisali so, da 16 l/100km ne bo dosegel nihče, kajti če malo popustiš gas bo poraba 12.5 l/100km. Prevožene razdalje gredo po vrsti 88km, 157km, 165km in 196km. Pri polno naloženemu (550kg) vozilu se poraba poviša za 0.2 l/100km pri bencinarju, 0.1 l/100km pri 1.6 TDI 90 in pri 105KM je nespremenjena. Hitrosti so dejanske vrednosti in ne po števcu.
1.2 TSI porabi pri 160km/h po števcu 7.7 l/100km.

Polo78 je napisal/-a:

ggorenc je napisal/-a:pri 100kmh (DEJANSKI, ne po stevcu!) ima polo 1.2tsi v zadnji prestavi torej tocno 2114rpm
pri 130kmh pa 2748rpm

ok, odvisno od napumpanosti gum

Pa še nekaj: Ali obrati v določeni prestavi vedno rastejo linearno s hitrostjo?

Da, ne more biti drugače, razen če bi imel kakšno visko sklopko.

Ker potemtakem jih je pri hitrosti 190 km/h po tem istem izračunu nekaj malega čez 4.000. Pa jih je toliko?

Tako je, 4016.