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Napisal/-a Upgrade Sr jun 14, 2006 12:57 pm

Pozdravljeni!

Sem prebral in prebrskal kompletn forum v zvezi z nakupom avta iz tujine! Slučajno sem brskal po internet strani http://www.mobile.de in naletel na BMW 320D letnik 2003, 90.000km, cena pa je 9900 EUR-ov, v ceni je vračunan VAT. In ker sem firbec sem mu poslal e-mail!
Dobil sem odgovor:
Hi there ,

I would like to tell you some things about my car, a general description: the car is in excelent condition withough any mechanical problems and never been involved in an accident .The vehicle is very well kept, I mean only in my own garage, it has no scratches and 87.200 km onboard, all parts are original. It was bought on 11/2003, I'm the original owner ( first owner ) of the car. The final price, 9,900 eur includes the VAT.
About the transaction , I take in consideration only those buyers who are really interesed in buying the car ,to be sure that I don't waste my time with endless discussions.This way,I shall be assured of the serious intentions .I'll offer you a secure transaction fast and easy to proced . I already have tones of emails so I hope you understand that I need to sort them out. If you have more questions please contact me by e-mail. I hope there won't be any argue for the price because I am offering you a good deal.
I will be waiting your answer.
Thank you...


Nikjer ne piše zakaj ga prodaja. Tip mi je potem poslal še naslov kje se avto nahaja (Munich).
Izmenjala sva si še nekaj mejlov, v enem pa je napisal: I know that Mobile.de could help us to make our deal in good condition and also to help me to be sure that the buyer is a serious and decided buyer. Then we will meet to test the car and close the deal.V zadnjem mejlu mi je še poslal skeniran potni list (baje njegov :) )!

Potem sem pa dobil še mejl od mobile.de:
Our customer....requires payment to be done through Western Union money transfer service. If you are not familiarised with the Western Union money transfer services please visit: http://www.westernunion.com

If you want to locate the nearest Western Union Office in your area please click here
You have to pay with cash at any Western Union Office.


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Security measures

mobile.de security measures are constantly reviewed and modified given evolving circumstances globally, drawing on both internal assessments and the support of government agencies. Our constant priority is for the safety of our people, our customers, and the general public.

mobile.de always tries to fulfill its customers needs. You will have to send the money using the seller's name. After you will make the payment to Western Union you will have to send the payment details, as they appear on the Western Union receipt, to us, via fax or email. You must send the name of sender, name of receiver, the amount and the
MTCN Number

Once the payment is confirmed by Western Union we will instruct the seller to come back in Munchen in order to finish the deal. After the money will be sent, we will HOLD the payment details and we will not give any information about the money transfer to the seller until we will have your confirmation that you have received and inspected the car and that you like the car.
So, all you have to do is to send the money to us using the seller details


Se pravi, da bi moral preko WU nakazati denar na mobile.de! Njega mobile.de obvesti da sem nakazal denar, njemu nič ne pošljem.
ko on dobi potrdilo, da sem dal aro, se dobiva na lokaciji, kjer je avto!

mobile.de mi je še poslal mejl, da je avto preverjen na policiji in da ni ukraden.

Prosim za nasvet!

Hvala!
 
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Napisal/-a zupi13 Sr jun 14, 2006 1:07 pm

ko mu ti enkrat pošlješ/nakažeš denar si ga naj**l..:!
jst bi rajš šel z denarjem gor, pa direkt v roko, saj avta še videl nisi. :?:
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Napisal/-a GTA lover Sr jun 14, 2006 1:08 pm

Hmmm...Mobile.de na vsakem koraku opozarja, da NIKOLI ne nakazuj vnaprej. Če je avto res tako oh in sploh, pošlji modelu mail, da ga prideš v Munchen pogledat. Stavit grem, da nikoli več ne boš dobil maila od njega oz. se bo nekako izvlekel, da bi ti on avto poslal po nevemkakemnačinuže, ti mu samo plačaj vnaprej (skorajidentičnaizkušnja.press).

Jaz ne bi!
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Hvala za odgovore.

Sam men je mobile.de poslal kako naj kupim avto! oni so posrednik!
Jst njemu ne pošlen nobene kopije mojega nakazila! On dobi od mobile.de
obvestilo, da sem resen kupec!
 
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Napisal/-a silikon Sr jun 14, 2006 1:14 pm

Hmm pa si ziher da je mail prišel od mobile.de?

Ker na mobile.de piše sledeče:
Kein Treuhand-Service bei mobile.de!

mobile.de bietet keinen Treuhandservice an oder Treuhandkonten ("Financial Department" o.ä.), den Käufer und Verkäufer nutzen könnten.
mobile.de hat auch keine Verkäufer als besonders vertrauenswürdig eingestuft ("Seal Members" o.ä.) - weder Händler noch Privatverkäufer.
Sollten Sie dennoch per eMail aufgefordert werden, einen angeblichen mobile.de Treuhandservice zu nutzen oder per eMail auf eine scheinbare mobile.de Seite geleitet werden, handelt es sich dabei um eine gefälschte eMail bzw. eine gefälschte Internetseite!
Sollten Sie sich bezüglich eines Inserats unsicher sein, kontaktieren Sie mobile.de unter folgender Nummer: +49 30 81097-530

Torej te hoče nategnit!
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Napisal/-a dunker Sr jun 14, 2006 1:17 pm

Ufff, perfekten zločin. :D Dobra varka, tole s pošiljanjem mobile.de mailov. :D Torej, prste stran.
 
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Napisal/-a GTA lover Sr jun 14, 2006 1:23 pm

dunker je napisal/-a:Ufff, perfekten zločin. :D Dobra varka, tole s pošiljanjem mobile.de mailov. :D Torej, prste stran.


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Napisal/-a zupi13 Sr jun 14, 2006 1:25 pm

kaj pa če pošlješ moderatorjem/adminom na mobile.de kak mejl in jih povprašaš???
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Napisal/-a Upgrade Sr jun 14, 2006 1:29 pm

Evo od teh kekcev sem dobu mejl!

service-de@team.mobile.de <service-de@team-mobile-support.de> to me
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Napisal/-a silikon Sr jun 14, 2006 1:34 pm

prevara!navidezno dobiš mail od mobile.de mail čeprav je mail poslan od drugod oz. temu se drugače reče phishing,

Sicherheitsrisiko gefälschte eMails ("Phishing")

Leider ist es technisch möglich, die Absenderadresse einer eMail zu fälschen. Dies wird von Betrügern genutzt, um vertrauliche Daten (Kreditkartennummer, Passwörter, Ihre Inseratsnummer o.ä.) auszuspähen oder einem potenziellen Käufer falsche Tatsachen ("Nutzen Sie unseren Treuhandservice" o.ä.) vorzuspiegeln.
mobile.de kontaktiert Privatkunden jedoch nur im Zusammenhang mit einem aufgegebenen Inserat oder bei einer Nachfrage.
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Matr!

Sedaj bom poslal e-mail administratorjem mobil.de!
 
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Napisal/-a urosr Sr jun 14, 2006 2:39 pm

Pa kokr se spomne je mel tale western union ene vlke potegavscine ze za sabo, so bli na 24ur, neki nategi z denarjem na vlko!
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Napisal/-a zupi13 Sr jun 14, 2006 2:42 pm

zupi13 je napisal/-a:kaj pa če pošlješ moderatorjem/adminom na mobile.de kak mejl in jih povprašaš???
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Napisal/-a GTA lover Sr jun 14, 2006 2:43 pm

urosr je napisal/-a:Pa kokr se spomne je mel tale western union ene vlke potegavscine ze za sabo, so bli na 24ur, neki nategi z denarjem na vlko!


Ah dej no mir no, "tale western union" je samo način plačevanja, ki ga poznajo vse večje svetovne banke (med našimi le NLB)...Gre za gotovinsko nakazovanje denarja iz imena na ime - in sicer v 24 urah kamorkoli na svetu. Prek Western Uniona pa dostikrat zahtevajo denar razni nategatorji, to je pa dejstvo. Sicer pa miljon procentno WU ni bil na 24 ur kot neki nategator!
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Napisal/-a urosr Sr jun 14, 2006 2:52 pm

GTA lover je napisal/-a:
urosr je napisal/-a:Pa kokr se spomne je mel tale western union ene vlke potegavscine ze za sabo, so bli na 24ur, neki nategi z denarjem na vlko!


Ah dej no mir no, "tale western union" je samo način plačevanja, ki ga poznajo vse večje svetovne banke (med našimi le NLB)...Gre za gotovinsko nakazovanje denarja iz imena na ime - in sicer v 24 urah kamorkoli na svetu. Prek Western Uniona pa dostikrat zahtevajo denar razni nategatorji, to je pa dejstvo. Sicer pa miljon procentno WU ni bil na 24 ur kot neki nategator!


Ups my mistake, sm zamenju ime firme :oops:
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Napisal/-a ice Sr jun 14, 2006 3:17 pm

Pri mobile.de pazte, men je ene par folka kupoval cliota s tujine, nakar so vsi potihnili ko jim kaj konkretnega nazaj spališ. Vsem se mudi, da ti avto plačajo s čekam, pol ti pa ček bouncne nazaj in si na koncu brez avta in brez dnarja :) tut sam sistem mobile.de je lansko leto obveščal o goljufih, maš pa kar nekaj variant...

Torej, če kupuješ avto v tujin se zategn gor (sej ni tok daleč, konec koncev gre za precej večjo investicijo kot tistih 50k sit), oz. naj pride tisti k teb, če si tako želi tvojega avta...
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Odgovor, prodajalca (poslal sem mu kaj piše na mobile.de):

In this case me sincerely I don't understand anything how it is possible....because I signed a contract with Mobile.de, so I must respect it. Dear sir, first of all the bmw 320D is my personal car and is not involved in leasing period and other things like that. The Wv Passat is the car of my wife. We need money urgently because I had a business there in Germany, but things were not so profitable, so I decide to disolve the company and move back to Croatia and start again there, so that is the price that I need for the car to be covered for the expenses.
It's important for you to send a down payment of 3000 euro, because that is my insurance for me, that I will not come for nothing, and I will keep the car for you.
If you make the payment today, I have enough time to reserve a plain ticket for Saturday, so please announce me before you make the payment to reserve my ticket plain. You must put the money (3.000 euro) and give the payment information to the Mobile.de company by fax and by the email they gave you, and they will inform me if they got the money transfered.To understand the entire procedure, please read the words I wrote down here. Is a little complicated, but safe and fast for both of us. Anyway, they told me they will contact you soon and probably they already contacted you with information on how to complete the deal.
For the payment, they have recommended Western Union as it is faster and easier. The transfer commission is around of 3%-7% which will be deduced from the amount on the invoice. In case you are asked there for the purpose of the transfer, you can specify that you send them to a friend, as they charge additional 10% for commercial purposes transfers.
Western Union must be paid in cash, but I think this is not a problem, as you already wanted to give cash money for the vehicle. The transfer commission is payed by me, so you will transfer less money and you are not losing money by using this service. As soon as the transfer is confirmed by Mobile Financial Department, I will proceed with arrangements. We will meet on Munchen airport or at the address provided to you by mobile.de. Please announce with 2 days before at which location you want to meet.
If you don't like the vehicle, you will GET your money back, and also I'm ready to pay your travel expenses, but I'm 100% sure that you will like the vehicle.
Hoping that everything is clear, I'm waiting for your reply and also I'm waiting for the payment confirmation from Mobile.de . As soon the payment is done, the vehicle will be yours and it will only be a matter of time to get it and use it.
I'm waiting your reply.
Regards...
 
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Napisal/-a urosr Sr jun 14, 2006 3:21 pm

Zaka se pa pol hravsko ne zmenta, ce je tip hrvat, pa se priimek mi ne deluje glih hrvaski!
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Vprašau ga bom če je v Zagrebu in če ga lahko obiščem!!
 
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Napisal/-a zupi13 Sr jun 14, 2006 3:43 pm

poglej, o tem je bla neki časa nazaj že debata, šlo se je pa o angležu, ki je delal v nemčiji in je odšel nazaj v GB, pa je moral avto nujno prodat (al neki takega)..
v glavnem to je nateg!
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