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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če apr 02, 2009 8:05 pm

martin_krpan na strani 34 je napisal/-a:Še en manj znan primer kitajskega badge-engineeringa.
Mitsubishi Mirage Dingo:
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Hafei Saima (Simbo v Rusiji):
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Nekateri avti so večni. Hafei Saima je bil za 2009 spet prenovljen.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Ne apr 05, 2009 10:51 am

BE znotraj koncerna British Leyland - projekt ADO17.

Ob predstavitvi marca 1975 je avtomobil obstajal v treh variantah, in sicer Austin / Morris / Wolseley 18–22 series.

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Že septembra istega leta se je BL odločil za racionalizacijo, združili so Austin in Morris ter 18–22 series prodajali samo še pod eno, novo znamko Princess:
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Princess 2 iz 1977:
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Ko so se 1981 odločili za korenito posodobitev, so se zopet odločili za novo ime, saj je znamka Princess imela slab ugled. Nastal je Austin Ambassador:

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Avto se je proizvajal do 1984.

Tudi njegov predhodnik - BMC ADO17 se je prodajal pod tremi znamkami.

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Wolseley 18/85 & Six:
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Ne apr 05, 2009 5:40 pm

V Indijskem Hindustanu ni vse rožnato. Prodaja legendarnega Ambassadorja je vse slabša, novih vozil pa od nikoder. Da bi lahko še uspešno konkurirali Tati in Mahindri s kakšnim množičnim in poceni izdelkom, so se zatorej obrnili za pomoč na sosede in od podjetja Shandong Shifeng odkupili pravico do izdelave njihovega tovornjaka v Indiji. Nastal je Hindustan Winner, tekmec Tati Ace.

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Sicer ima Hindustan tudi skupno podjetje z Mitsubishijem.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če apr 09, 2009 6:30 pm

Scion je na NY salonu prikazal iQ Concept- Že kot ime pove, gre samo za spedenano verzijo Toyotinega malčka enakega imena.

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Ob pozitivni reakciji publike, bodo pričeli avto prodajati tudi v ZDA.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/08/new- ... ig-wheels/
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan So apr 18, 2009 10:31 am

Novi Infiniti EX bo na Japonskem postal Nissan Skyline Crossover.

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po apr 20, 2009 6:51 pm

Na kitajskem avto salonu so bile predstavljene tudi novosti, ki sodijo v to temo. Tako je Huatai predstavil še eno reinkarnacijo starega Santa Fe, poimenovano C9. Poganja ga 1,8 litrski turbo motor.

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Dongfeng je pričel s proizvodnjo Citroena C5, ki ima svetlejše zadnje luči.
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Shanghai VW pa prikazuje temeljito osveženi Passat Lingyu (staro generacijo Passata na podaljšanem podvozju, kot je bil pri nas Škoda Superb I)
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po apr 20, 2009 8:22 pm

Še dve novosti. Prenovljeni C4 limuzina, sedaj poimenovan Citroen C-Quatre sedan.

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Eden najzanimivejših primerov v tej temi pa je zagotovo Beijing Hyundai Sonata BT01. Gre za v celoti predelano Sonato prejšnje generacije, ki se na Kitajskem še vedno prodaja vzporedno z novo (imenovano Sonata NFC, str.92). Avto je dobil popolnoma nov izgled, tako da od spredaj spominja na kitajske Volkswagne, od zadaj pa na kakšno Volgo.

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pred prenovo:
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in FAW SCC - gre za modernizirani Happy Messanger, ki izvira iz Daihatsuja Move)
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan To apr 21, 2009 6:33 pm

Da zaključimo s Shanghai Auto Show, še zadnje novosti s področja BE.

Podaljšani Chery Eastar Limo (stara Daewoo Leganza):
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Europestar Savvy (rebadged Proton Savvy):
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Zotye Perla - od mrtvih obujena Fiat Perla - limuzinski Palio, skonstruiran posebej za Kitajsko
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Honda SR-9. Prototip na osnovi aktualnega evropskega Accorda. Verjetno napoved skorajšnjega prihoda tega avtomobila na Kitajski trg. Tam se trenutni prodaja samo večji ameriški Accord.

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če apr 30, 2009 10:06 pm

Relativno tiho je SAIC GM predstavil 2009 Chevrolet Lova - pri nas Aveo limuzino. Avto je oblikovan skladno z novo filozofijo te znamke. Notranjost je (skoraj) nespremenjena.

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Čas bo pokazal, ali gre še za eno China-only prenovo, ali pa bomo takšnega Avea dočakali tudi Evropejci.

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Ne maj 10, 2009 11:03 am

martin_krpan na strani 80 je napisal/-a:Saipa 131 - prenovljeni Pride limuzina.
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Letos so predstavili tudi prenovljeno kombilimuzino pod imenom Saipa 111.

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Opazil pa sem tudi, da ima njihov Pride karavan (Nasim Safari) drugačna prtljažna vrata.

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Kia Pride Wagon:
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Verjetno kmalu tudi pri njemu lahko pričakujemo temeljitejšo prenovo.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan So maj 23, 2009 3:01 pm

2009 Suzuki Liana Vurv za Pakistan. Z med drugim novo masko, zadnjimi lučmi ter DVD predvajalnikom v notranjosti (paket Eminent).

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po maj 25, 2009 5:43 pm

martin_krpan na strani 88 je napisal/-a:Nissan Južna Afrika je naposled pripravil naslednika kompaktnega poltovornjaka 1400 Bakkie, ki se proizvaja že 40 let. Zamenjal ga bo Nissan NP200, rebadged Dacia Logan Pick-up.

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Nissan NP200 2009:
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http://www.carmag.co.za/article/nissan- ... 2009-07-20
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po jun 01, 2009 5:41 pm

Tajska Toyota je pričela s proizvodnjo Camry Hybrid. Gre za prvi hibridni Camry, narejen na osnovi ASEAN verzije.
Trenutna hibridna verzija je razvita iz JDM verzije in se je prodajala samo v ZDA in na Japonskem. Kot ameriški, se tudi tajski Hybrid po posameznih detajlih razlikuje od konvencionalno gnanih sester.

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če jun 04, 2009 5:11 pm

martin_krpan na strani 77 je napisal/-a:
Miles Automotive je očitno sklenil dogovor s kitajskim Hafeijem, saj je (oziroma bo) v ponudbo uvrstil dva njihova modela, seveda zopet gnana z električnim motorjem...

...Prihajajoči XS500:
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pa Hafei Saibao III:
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Miles bo svoj najnovejši električni avtomobil prodajal pod blagovno znamko Coda Automotive. Hafeijeva karoserija je bila temeljito prenovljena.

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PRESS RELEASE:

Coda Automotive Unveils Mainstream All-Electric Sedan

Announces Global JV with Lishen to Develop Automotive Grade Battery Systems

Santa Monica, CA – June 3, 2009 – Coda Automotive, formed and developed under the stewardship of entrepreneur Miles Rubin (known for his marketing and sales of low-speed, electric fleet vehicles under the Miles Electric Vehicles brand), today announced that it will be introducing an affordable, full performance all-electric sedan to the mainstream California market in 2010. Additionally, the company, which has an existing long-term sourcing contract with Tianjin Lishen Battery Joint-Stock Co., Ltd., (Lishen) for lithium-ion batteries used in the Coda, announced the establishment of a global joint venture with Lishen to design, manufacture and sell transportation and utility power storage battery systems.

As a new automotive company, Coda Automotive's focus will be on branding, designing and manufacturing fully safety compliant, all-electric cars capable of mainstream performance and highway use. Scheduled for delivery in the fall of 2010 in California, the four-door, five-passenger, fully-equipped mid-size Coda sedan will be available for $45,000 (mid-$30,000s after including a $7,500 Federal tax credit and additional state incentives). Powered by a 333V lithium-ion battery with a real-world range of 90 to 120 miles depending on individual driving habits, the Coda sedan travels far enough between charges to satisfy 94% of daily driving routines. The onboard charger plugs into any 110 or 220V standard outlet and completes a full charge in less than six hours at a 220V service. Charging the battery for a 40-mile commute can be completed in two hours.

"The Coda sedan is an all-electric vehicle for everyone," said Kevin Czinger, President and CEO, Coda Automotive. "It's a practical revolution for real drivers who need reliable transportation."
The battery system is the chief enabling technology for electric cars and Coda has established its strategic position in the development and commercialization of automotive grade battery systems through the joint venture with Lishen. Lishen is one of the world's largest manufacturers of lithium-ion cells and a key supplier to Apple, Motorola, Samsung and Vodafone, among others. The joint venture's manufacturing facility is located within Lishen's existing manufacturing complex in Tianjin, China, thus accelerating the company's ability to commercialize the battery system and bring an all-electric car to the mass market. Plans have been made to establish capacity in the U.S. in partnership with a U.S. battery company.

"The uncertainty of battery supply is an issue that plagues many electric vehicle manufacturers today," explains Czinger. "This long-term agreement has enabled us to design an integrated battery system with an existing world-class partner with mass manufacturing capacity. That enables us to rapidly industrialize Coda's power system for commercial volume production and to scale the business. Eventually, we expect to manufacture batteries in the U.S."

Coda's internal team, along with specialized U.S. and European engineering partners, oversee the manufacturing process to ensure that Coda vehicles are built to Western safety specifications and market expectations. This includes vehicle body design, safety engineering, the design and engineering of the battery pack, battery management system and power electronics, and additional engineering to integrate an electric vehicle drivetrain (comprised primarily of Tier 1 U.S.-based supplier components) into the chassis. The Coda sedan is engineered to be FMVSS complaint, and based on existing crash test results the company expects a four or five-Star NCAP crash rating.

Coda Automotive employs a creative, open and flexible variable cost/low capital expenditure business model. The company has a core team of engineers who work with a network of top-tier partners that provide engineering services and components. The company controls brand, design and IP while teaming with established large-scale manufacturers and assemblers to avoid the most capital intensive aspect of the car business. Coda's manufacturing partner, Hafei, is an established state-owned Chinese manufacturer of automobiles and airplanes and has delivered more than one-million vehicles and currently produces two-hundred thousand vehicles per year.
Featuring a fraction of the moving parts of a gas-powered vehicle, the Coda sedan is less susceptible to wear-and-tear and never requires an oil change. The company estimates that it will cost less than $3, on average, to drive 100 miles. A comparable gas-powered sedan that gets 20 mpg costs about $17 per 100 miles. Driving a Coda equates to over $2,000 in operation and maintenance savings per year at normal driving rates – that's $20,000 in savings over a ten year period.

The Coda sedan is fully-equipped for comfort, convenience and safety. Factory-standard equipment includes a telematics package, navigation with turn-by-turn directions, a "green screen" that monitors driving efficiency, roadside assistance with an emergency button, a Bluetooth system with an embedded microphone, AM/FM/XM radio with Sirius satellite capability, iPod dock, MP3/USB connectivity, security system, aluminum wheels, and power windows, doors and mirrors. Safety equipment includes anti-lock brakes with electronic stability control and advanced airbags with an occupant detection system. The vehicle is backed by a three-year/36,000 mile warranty.
Coda Automotive employs a direct distribution model, and will sell the vehicle only in the state of California initially. Coda will also perform the vehicle's maintenance and service through an outsourced network comprised of brand name car service partners. Customers interested in purchasing a CODA can register their interest on the new CODA website at HYPERLINK "http://www.codaautomotive.com" www.codaautomotive.com. The company will contact interested customers on a first come, first served basis later this year.

For more information, please visit HYPERLINK "http://www.codaautomotive.com" www.codaautomotive.com.
About Coda Automotive: Headquartered in Santa Monica, Calif., Coda Automotive is a manufacturer and distributor of all-electric, highway capable vehicles. Launched in June 2009, the company brands, designs, markets and distributes electric vehicles utilizing a manufacturing partnership strategy which allows Coda Automotive to develop vehicles rapidly in a flexible manner – avoiding the traditionally capital-intensive nature of the automobile business. Coda Automotive's first vehicle, the Coda sedan, will be delivered in the fall of 2010.


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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Pe jun 19, 2009 12:46 pm

FIAT je pričel s proizvodnjo in prodajo Grande Punta v Indiji. Do konca 2009 bo imel 85% doma narejenih sestavnih delov. Indijski Punto ima več aluminija zunaj, notranjost pa je prevzeta iz Linee, ki se že nekaj časa proizvaja v tej državi.

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Glede Fiata lahko še omenimo, da je precej prenovljena armaturka turških Albee in Palia. Sicer gre še vedno za prejšnjo generacijo teh avtomobilov, a je notranjost sedaj preoblikovana po aktualni južnoameriški varianti in ne izgleda več tako obupno ceneno.

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Ko primer lokalizacije oz. prilagajanja okusom posameznih trgov pa lahko omenim še made-in-China Kia Forte. Avtomobil ima drugačne sprednje meglenke (večjih dimenzij), na armaturo pa so nalimali svetleče materiale, saj to pri Kitajcih ustvarja vtis prestiža.

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Če res predrugačene meglenke vplivajo na večjo ali manjšo prodajo...
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan So jun 20, 2009 2:47 pm

Avstralski Energetique skupaj z nemškim RLE INTERNATIONAL predstavlja električni evMe s karoserijo Mazde2:

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Ne jun 21, 2009 5:25 pm

martin_krpan na strani 72 je napisal/-a:v Mehiki je debitirala Jetta 2008, prenova avtomobila, ki smo ga mi poznali pod imenom Bora.
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Poznavalci te teme bodo takoj opazili, da je Jetta sedaj identična kitajski verziji, ki jo je pripravil FAW (str. 70) - z izjemo pismenk na prtljažnih vratih, seveda.
Zanimivo, po čileanski Corsi in južnoafriškem Focusu je to že (vsaj) tretji avtomobil, ki je bil oblikovan na Kitajskem, namenjen pa je prodaji tudi na drugih manj razvitih trgih.


Sedaj pa so Mehičani dobili še nekaj lastnega. Športno Volkswagen Jetto GLI 2010 z 180 konjskim 1,8 turbo motorjem.

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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po jun 22, 2009 5:57 pm

Ford Bantam (Južna Afrika) 2009 sedaj z dizelskim motorjem.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Če jun 25, 2009 12:52 pm

martin_krpan na strani 76 je napisal/-a:Osveženi Ford Everest (Endeavour v Indiji) s sprednjim delom in notranjostjo povzetimi po novi Mazdi B:
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Nova prenova za Everest, terenec, ki temelji na Mazdi B/Fordu Ranger. Tehnika je bolj ali manj enaka kot leta 2003, spremenjen pa je zunanji dizajn (po vzoru na azijski Ford Escape) in posodobljena je oprema (infotainment, kamera za vzratno vožnjo,...). Ta tip vozil je v JV Aziji precej popularen zaradi slabih cest.

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Še enkrat azijski Escape, po katerem so preoblikovali Everest. V bistvu gre še vedno za SUV, ki je bil predstavljen 2001 skupaj z Mazdo Tribute:
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