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Napisal/-a CERES Če dec 18, 2008 8:07 pm

sonic je napisal/-a:
Sam sedaj je treba ločiti popuste, tiste, ki so na zalogi in tisti popusti, ko prideš do prodajalca in rečeš, naročil bi avto iz tovarne.


Načeloma je to sicer res, ampak, pravkar berem na nemškem forumu - en tip piše, da je dobil 21% popusta na novega golfa VI:
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/neuen-golf-gekauft-mit-21-nachlass-t2079408.html


Če bo takole v SLO bo tudi vredu za nas. Sam vseeno v NEM je končna prodajna cena nižja kot pa pri nas za isti model (razlika 1000 do 1500 e za rang dobrega golfa; in ta razlika raste eksponetno glede na ceno avtomobila). Tako, da če tole drži potem je sklenil dober posel. Da ne omenjam Hrvaške, ki pa ma večje davke na avtomobile od nas za dobrega golfa in je treba pri njih za tako motirizacijo doplačati 1000 do 1500 e. Da ne govorim o kakšnem x5 da je za okoli 15.000 e dražji kot v SLO. itd...

Sam vseeno za SLO trg sem bil vedno skeptičen ker naš trg je tako tog, da glava boli. Zdej ne vem al ne znamo razmišljat, kako privabiti stranke do nakupa novega avtomobila in da bi kakšne popuste ponujali kot recimo "pike za zvesto". Ampak obenem pa berem ,da gre Porsche-ju Slovenija poslovanje odlično in gotovo ne bodo kar tako začeli ponujati popuste na nove avtomobile. Ali pa je to samo farsa, da se ljudi prepriča da pri nas ne bojo tako množični popusti kot v tujini.

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Napisal/-a sonic Če dec 18, 2008 8:36 pm

CERES je napisal/-a: Ampak obenem pa berem ,da gre Porsche-ju Slovenija poslovanje odlično in gotovo ne bodo kar tako začeli ponujati popuste na nove avtomobile.
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Porsche Slovenija ne bo dal popustov? Saj jih že!
Pa če sem že parkrat napisal, da ti skoraj že na vratih sami od sebe ponujajo 10% popusta na nova vozila v zalogi, ne da bi človek sploh karkoli vprašal, ko pride ubijat dolgčas v avtosalon...
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Napisal/-a CERES Če dec 18, 2008 11:04 pm

sonic je napisal/-a:
CERES je napisal/-a: Ampak obenem pa berem ,da gre Porsche-ju Slovenija poslovanje odlično in gotovo ne bodo kar tako začeli ponujati popuste na nove avtomobile.
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Porsche Slovenija ne bo dal popustov? Saj jih že!
Pa če sem že parkrat napisal, da ti skoraj že na vratih sami od sebe ponujajo 10% popusta na nova vozila v zalogi, ne da bi človek sploh karkoli vprašal, ko pride ubijat dolgčas v avtosalon...


Malo narobe se razumeva :D govorim o avtomobilih, ko naročiš po svojih željah in da bi kar tako ponudili na ta avto 20% popusta ali več ;) trenutno v to dvomim, da bi prišlo do kaj takega v SLO. Drugje ja kot si navedel primer v NEM. Mogoče se bo to zgodilo v SLO v letu 2009 ko napovedujejo še hujše stanje. Čas bo svoje naredil.

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Napisal/-a moj-avto Pe dec 19, 2008 12:21 am

Chrysler zapira svoja vrata za en mesec.
Kriza pač.
Vir:http://24ur.com/novice/gospodarstvo/chrysler-zapira-vrata-svojih-tovarn.html

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Napisal/-a adis Pe dec 19, 2008 6:39 am

moj-avto je napisal/-a:Chrysler zapira svoja vrata za en mesec.
Kriza pač.
Vir:http://24ur.com/novice/gospodarstvo/chrysler-zapira-vrata-svojih-tovarn.html

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off:
odebeljeni tekst je napisan po nepotrebnem :!: kaj bi bilo, če bi revoz zaprli za en mesec? potem bi preklel usa češ, da so oni krivi za zaprtje revoza...

raje dobro premisli preden kaj napišeš
 
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Napisal/-a Joie de vivre! Pe dec 19, 2008 8:29 am

moj-avto je napisal/-a:Chrysler zapira svoja vrata za en mesec.
Kriza pač.
Vir:http://24ur.com/novice/gospodarstvo/chrysler-zapira-vrata-svojih-tovarn.html

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Če gre Amerika home, gremo tudi mi home, razumeš?

Je pa s Chryslerjem tako, da že 30 let visi na nitki. Mislim, da ga naslednje leto kot takega ne bo več.
 
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Napisal/-a sonic Pe dec 19, 2008 10:16 am

CERES je napisal/-a:Malo narobe se razumeva :D govorim o avtomobilih, ko naročiš po svojih željah in da bi kar tako ponudili na ta avto 20% popusta ali več ;
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Ja, to pa že. Meni se tudi zdi da za nove avte 'po naročilu' verjetno ni možno več kot max 20% popusta (čeprav bomo še videli, hehe). Večji popusti pa so verjetni za vozila v zalogi.
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Napisal/-a Pero Pe dec 19, 2008 11:29 am

Ko govorite o popustih... A še nikoli niste opazili da so popusti ob koncu leta in takoj v začetku novega in predvsem (samo) na vozila na zalogi?

To da Crisler zapira za par tednov pa tudi ni nič čudnega. Fabrike je treba vsake toliko obnovit, zamenjat stroje, opremo, itd... A naj bi plačevali delvace na 100% za ta čas? + sliši se kot medijska vest da lažje izsiljujejo vlado za pomoč ;)

Za komentar Usa go home pa res ni na mestu. Kot prvo so njihove fabrike že tam in kam naj grejo? :roll: Pa še ne vem zakaj bi privoščil delavcem ki bodo ob dohodek? Sicer pa Slovenia go home kjer zapirajo fabrike že 20 let!
 
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Napisal/-a AndrejD Pe dec 19, 2008 12:57 pm

sonic je napisal/-a:
Sam sedaj je treba ločiti popuste, tiste, ki so na zalogi in tisti popusti, ko prideš do prodajalca in rečeš, naročil bi avto iz tovarne.


Načeloma je to sicer res, ampak, pravkar berem na nemškem forumu - en tip piše, da je dobil 21% popusta na novega golfa VI:
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/neuen-golf-gekauft-mit-21-nachlass-t2079408.html



Sem že na začetku teme omenil to.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Pe dec 19, 2008 4:27 pm

Ameriška vlada bo dala GM in Chryslerju 13,4 milijarde USD posojil. Denar bo del sredstev, namenjenih pomoči finančnim inštitucijam in bankam.

President Bush announced a rescue plan for General Motors and Chrysler LLC Friday morning that will make $13.4 billion in federal loans available almost immediately.

A senior administration official briefing reporters said he expects that GM (GM, Fortune 500) and Chrysler LLC will be signing the loan papers to access the cash later Friday morning.

The money will come from the $700 billion fund set aside to bailout Wall Street firms and banks in October.

With these loans, Treasury will have committed virtually all of the $350 billion of that fund that it can hand out without additional authorization from Congress. Once Congress releases the other $350 billion, the two automakers will be able to borrow an additional $4 billion.

The loans are three-year loans but the money will have to be repaid immediately if the firms do not show themselves to be viable by March 31. It is expected that the companies will have to negotiate new agreements with unions and creditors in order to do so.

During brief remarks at the White House, President Bush said in normal times he would have not been in favor of preventing a bankruptcy of the two companies. But the current state of the economy and credit markets left him no choice but to act.

"Government has a responsibility to safeguard the broader health and stability of our economy," he said. "If we were to allow the free market to take its course now, it would almost certainly lead to disorderly bankruptcy and liquidation for the automakers."

"In the midst of a financial crisis and a recession, allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action," Bush added.

GM and Chrysler immediately issued statements thanking the administration for taking action.

"We know we have much work in front of us to accomplish our plan," GM said. "We thank the Administration for this important support of our industry at this challenging time, and we look forward to proving what American ingenuity can achieve."

The White House and Treasury Department signaled a week ago that they were willing to use cash from the bank bailout fund to help keep GM and Chrysler afloat after the Senate failed to vote for a $14 billion bailout for the two companies. The bill had already passed the House and had the support of the administration.

GM (GM, Fortune 500) has warned it will fall below the minimum amount of cash it needs to continue to operate without $4 billion in federal loans before the end of the month. Privately held Chrysler said it will need $4 billion or it will also run out of cash early next year.

Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) has more cash on hand and has said it should be able to avoid tapping into federal dollars unless the weak auto sales continue longer than it expects in 2009.

U.S. auto sales plunged to 26-year lows last month as tight credit, rising job losses and weak consumer confidence have led to a virtual collapse in the auto market.

All of the major automakers, including Asian automakers Toyota Motor (TM) and Honda Motor (HMC), are cutting back production. But the situation is particularly severe at GM and Chrysler.

In the last week, those two automakers announced shutdowns of assembly lines for at least a month, several weeks longer than the typical shutdowns during the December holiday season


http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/19/news/co ... tm?cnn=yes
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Napisal/-a Sarge Pe dec 19, 2008 4:41 pm

Vse vredi in okej. Samo kolk cajta bodo lahko laufali s tem dnarjem? In kaj če kriza potraja še kaka 2 leta?

Js sm skorj zihr, da GM nima svetle prihodnosti. Razn če bo rasprodau večino svojih nerentabilnih znamk za male dnarje.
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po dec 22, 2008 11:54 am

Celo Toyota bo prvič v svoji 71-letni zgodovini poslovala z izgubo:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/12 ... index.html

Japanese automaker Toyota warned Monday that it will post the first operating loss in its 71-year history.

Toyota president Katsuaki Watanabe announces the company's forecast in Nagoya, central Japan.

A slump in sales and a surge in the value of the yen have wreaked havoc on its balance sheet, with the world's second biggest car maker revealing that its net revenues have dropped by 6.3 percent compared to a year ago.

In a statement, Toyota said it cut its group operating forecast to a loss of ¥150 billion ($1.7 billion) for the year to end-March, after shocking financial markets last month by slashing its group operating profit forecast by ¥1 trillion to ¥600 billion.

The car maker recorded an operating profit of ¥2.27 trillion last year.


Med drugim podjetje ne bo izplačalo bonusov vodilnim delavcem, razmišljajo pa tudi o nižjih dividendah.
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Napisal/-a goldhorn Po dec 22, 2008 6:00 pm

Včasih je treba znati ločiti med pojmi.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Japanese auto giant Toyota said Monday that it would suffer an operating loss due to plummeting auto sales and a strong local currency.

About 30 minutes after the market closed in Tokyo, Toyota said it expected to lose approximately $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion this fiscal year. Toyota reports earnings on a fiscal calendar beginning in April.

This would be Toyota's first operating loss since 1950, Toyota spokesman Steve Curtis said.

Despite the likely operating loss, Toyota expects to post a $557 million net profit for the fiscal year.
 
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan Po dec 22, 2008 6:05 pm

Kriza se občuti tudi v Južni Koreji. Najhujše gre Ssangyongu. Korejska tovarna nima več niti denarja za plače. Ssangyongu je prodaja padla za 63% v primerjavi z lanskim letom, kar glede na njihov proizvodni program (neobičajno oblikovani SUVi, luksuzna limuzina Chairman) ni tako presenetljivo.
Ssangyong je v lasti kitajskega megakoncerna SUV.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/koreas-ssan ... oyees.html

The small automaker announced late last week that it is no longer able to pay employees.

Ssangyoung has experienced an even bigger drop off in sales than most automakers, leaving Ssangyoung’s piggy bank virtually empty. “The company is expected to post a deficit of more than W100 billion (about $76.7 million) this year alone,” the company said in a letter to employees. “Due to lack of operating funds for December, it is impossible for the company to pay salaries any longer.”

Ssangyoung has asked its parent company – China’s Shanghai Automotive Industry — for emergency funds, but to no avail. Apparently Shanghai Automotive is upset that Ssangyoung’s in-house union called for the firing of several Chinese executives, prompting the automaker to turn down Ssanyoung’s request, despite the company’s 51.3 percent stake in the Korean automaker, according to Chosun.

Ssangyoung has drastically reduced its operations over the past few months, including the shuttering of several plants. Ssangyoung’s dealership network has shrunk from 237 in early 2008 to just 180 now, resulting in a sales drop of 63 percent last year. In all, the jobs of 8,000 workers hang in the balance, with the future uncertain for Ssangyoung


Pozorni bralci bodo opazili, da je avtor teksta tovarno prekrstil v Ssangyoung
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Napisal/-a INFINITI Po dec 22, 2008 6:31 pm

martin_krpan je napisal/-a:
Pozorni bralci bodo opazili, da je avtor teksta tovarno prekrstil v Ssangyoung


Mogoče je mislil na tole mucko :lol:
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Napisal/-a Polo78 Po dec 22, 2008 7:49 pm

martin_krpan je napisal/-a:Kriza se občuti tudi v Južni Koreji. Najhujše gre Ssangyongu. Korejska tovarna nima več niti denarja za plače. Ssangyongu je prodaja padla za 63% v primerjavi z lanskim letom, kar glede na njihov proizvodni program (neobičajno oblikovani SUVi, luksuzna limuzina Chairman) ni tako presenetljivo.
Ssangyong je v lasti kitajskega megakoncerna SUV.


Kaj pa Hyundai in KIA? Kakor vem, naj bi slednji po zaslugi uspešnega modela Ceed prodajo celo povečali in naj bi imeli dobiček. So pa to neuradne informacije, če kdo najde kako uradno, naj prilepi link.
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Napisal/-a cliopower Po dec 22, 2008 9:21 pm

Polo78 je napisal/-a:
martin_krpan je napisal/-a:Kriza se občuti tudi v Južni Koreji. Najhujše gre Ssangyongu. Korejska tovarna nima več niti denarja za plače. Ssangyongu je prodaja padla za 63% v primerjavi z lanskim letom, kar glede na njihov proizvodni program (neobičajno oblikovani SUVi, luksuzna limuzina Chairman) ni tako presenetljivo.
Ssangyong je v lasti kitajskega megakoncerna SUV.


Kaj pa Hyundai in KIA? Kakor vem, naj bi slednji po zaslugi uspešnega modela Ceed prodajo celo povečali in naj bi imeli dobiček. So pa to neuradne informacije, če kdo najde kako uradno, naj prilepi link.


:D :D Meni je čist fajn je pa res da vse nakazuje na to.
 
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Napisal/-a adis Po dec 22, 2008 9:24 pm

Kia Motors aims for 21 pct rise in 2008 revenues

SEOUL, Jan 2 (Reuters) - Kia Motors Corp (000270.KS) said on Wednesday that it was targeting 23 trillion won ($24.6 billion) in 2008 revenues, up 21 percent from a year ago.

Kia, South Korea's No. 2 car maker, told the Korea Exchange in a filing that it had set a 1.7 million unit sale target this year versus 1.37 million unit in 2007. ($1=935.8 Won) (Reporting by Kim Yeon-hee and Kim Soyoung; Editing by Tomasz Janowski)
 
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Napisal/-a martin_krpan To dec 23, 2008 7:48 am

Evo o Kii in Hyundaiju:
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl ... 20392/1361

Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. cut their joint 2008 sales forecast by 12.5 percent Monday and said they would freeze pay for managers amid slumping vehicle demand.

Separately, Ssangyong Motor Co., South Korea's smallest automaker, said it may not be able to meet its December payroll on time.

Hyundai and Kia said in a statement that they now expect total sales to reach 4.2 million vehicles this year, compared with an earlier forecast of 4.8 million. Overseas inventories, meanwhile, are expected to reach 1.06 million vehicles, the statement said.

The two companies, which dominate the South Korean car industry, form the world's fifth-biggest automotive group. Kia is a Hyundai affiliate.

In addition to freezing management pay, the statement also said that beginning this week Hyundai will curtail working hours at two separate production sites, including one that manufactures buses.

Hyundai earlier this month slashed overtime for the first time since 1998.

The two automakers were in an "emergency management structure to overcome the crisis," the statement said.


Tudi Daewoo ustavlja proizvodnjo:
GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co., the South Korean arm of General Motors Corp., has curbed production. All four of its factories are closed through Jan. 4. The company is South Korea's third-largest vehicle manufacturer.
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Napisal/-a Polo78 To dec 23, 2008 9:23 am

Se pravi, če povzamem, na globalni ravni imata tudi Hyundai&KIA slabšo prodajo od pričakovane (planirane), sta pa za razliko od drugih proizvajalcev še vedno v zelenih številkah in niti slučajno v taki krizi kot nekateri drugi. Na nekaterih trgih so celo v porastu glede na pretekla obdobja (Evropa npr.).
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